Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
cohorte de vestales
English translation:
clutch of maidens
Added to glossary by
Reed James
Apr 10, 2014 21:30
10 yrs ago
Spanish term
cohorte de vestales
Spanish to English
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Argentinian mixology article
Puede que la confección de un bouquet floral y su transporte hacia la habitación por una "cohorte de vestals" sea la máxima expresión del refinamiento estético en establecimientos como los de la cadena de lujo ***.
Piecing it together I get "a cohort of vestal virgins". Methinks I have it wrong.
Piecing it together I get "a cohort of vestal virgins". Methinks I have it wrong.
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +2 | clutch of maidens | Carol Gullidge |
4 +3 | a bevy of vestal virgins | Alejandro Alcaraz Sintes |
4 | gaggle of vestals | neilmac |
Proposed translations
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clutch of maidens
maidens as in "innocent" young girls (also maid, as in Maid of Orleans, but I don't think this would be appropriate for a hotel!)
I'm not keen on retaining the virgins in this context as it could give quite the wrong impression of what sort of a hotel this is!
I think bevy is OK (but see the comment in the first link below) but feel that gaggle sounds too down-market. In any case, I'm concentrating more on resolving the crucial 'vestals' rather than 'cohort'. I'm sure that if need be, you could come up with something for that without any help from us!
Here are a few online examples:
Lords Hansard text for 1 Dec 1998 (181201-07)
www.publications.parliament.uk › ... › Lords Hansard
... Lords in congratulating the--I shall not call them a bevy of maidens; I think that it is an inappropriate expression--the clutch of maidens we have heard today.
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Attawondaronk - Page 20 - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1462049141
J. R. Montgomery - 2011 - Fiction
A clutch of maidens farther upstream splashed in the water, pretending not to notice the unattached youths who always gathered to show offwhen the girls were ...
Chocolatiers of the High Winds - Page 87 - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=161390049X
H.B. Kurtzwilde
A clutch of maidens had chosen this bit of riverside for their morning baths. "You have to go down,"Thiervy said. "That would be the nor— mal thing to do
Double Mountain Crossing - Page 101 - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0917990587
Chris Scott Wilson - 2010 - JUVENILE NONFICTION
He would never hunt again, or break the sleek grey pony his uncle had promised him from the herd, or pick a wife from the clutch of maidens who had already
Oakland Tribune, Monday, May 12, 1975, Page 50
newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1975-05-12/page-50
12 May 1975 - Her idea: 100 males in burlap sarongs pulling a primitive cart with a clutch of maidens in gauzy white linen, female sjaves en route to the ...
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Or possibly "handmaidens" (as in female attendants, and not to be confused with female escorts in this posh bar!).
Rather old-fashioned, but this gets in the connotations of chasteness and also of being waited
But I'm not sure if "a clutch of handmaidens" would work so well. Maybe something along the lines of "a succession of handmaidens"
But if "cohorte"i s really bothering you, then maybe this should be 2 separate questions, i.e., one for each term…?
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not sure what happened to "waited ON"!
I'm not keen on retaining the virgins in this context as it could give quite the wrong impression of what sort of a hotel this is!
I think bevy is OK (but see the comment in the first link below) but feel that gaggle sounds too down-market. In any case, I'm concentrating more on resolving the crucial 'vestals' rather than 'cohort'. I'm sure that if need be, you could come up with something for that without any help from us!
Here are a few online examples:
Lords Hansard text for 1 Dec 1998 (181201-07)
www.publications.parliament.uk › ... › Lords Hansard
... Lords in congratulating the--I shall not call them a bevy of maidens; I think that it is an inappropriate expression--the clutch of maidens we have heard today.
..
Attawondaronk - Page 20 - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1462049141
J. R. Montgomery - 2011 - Fiction
A clutch of maidens farther upstream splashed in the water, pretending not to notice the unattached youths who always gathered to show offwhen the girls were ...
Chocolatiers of the High Winds - Page 87 - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=161390049X
H.B. Kurtzwilde
A clutch of maidens had chosen this bit of riverside for their morning baths. "You have to go down,"Thiervy said. "That would be the nor— mal thing to do
Double Mountain Crossing - Page 101 - Google Books Result
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0917990587
Chris Scott Wilson - 2010 - JUVENILE NONFICTION
He would never hunt again, or break the sleek grey pony his uncle had promised him from the herd, or pick a wife from the clutch of maidens who had already
Oakland Tribune, Monday, May 12, 1975, Page 50
newspaperarchive.com/oakland-tribune/1975-05-12/page-50
12 May 1975 - Her idea: 100 males in burlap sarongs pulling a primitive cart with a clutch of maidens in gauzy white linen, female sjaves en route to the ...
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Or possibly "handmaidens" (as in female attendants, and not to be confused with female escorts in this posh bar!).
Rather old-fashioned, but this gets in the connotations of chasteness and also of being waited
But I'm not sure if "a clutch of handmaidens" would work so well. Maybe something along the lines of "a succession of handmaidens"
But if "cohorte"i s really bothering you, then maybe this should be 2 separate questions, i.e., one for each term…?
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not sure what happened to "waited ON"!
Peer comment(s):
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Charles Davis
: "Maidens" is an excellent idea and actually enables you to call them virgins without seeming to.
3 hrs
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thanks Charles - that was the idea :)
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agree |
neilmac
: I like handmaidens... and "coterie of handmaidens" gets 80+ hits...
14 hrs
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thanks neilmac - I hadn't thought of "coterie":) It somehow sounds deceptively feminine!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
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23 mins
a bevy of vestal virgins
bunch, crew, group, procession
Suerte.
Suerte.
Peer comment(s):
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patinba
: Yes, although I would be tempted to skip the "virgins" as the Spanish does.
15 mins
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Thank you. (Yes, "vestals" alone dhould be fine. )
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agree |
philgoddard
: I wouldn't skip the virgins. It would sound odd if you did.
46 mins
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Thank you, Phil.
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agree |
neilmac
: Cohort is better than "bevy" IMHO and I wouldn't use "bunch" or "crew" either unless aiming for bathos. I'd probably leave out "virgins" too.
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Thx, Neil. See my answer to your discussion entry.
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gaggle of vestals
For bathetic effect. I google hit...
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaggle
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Goggle gaggle for a giggle...
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Oops, I meant "Google gaggle..."
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I was actually posting "gaggle" tongue in cheek. Discussed this over lunch with some Brits yesterday and they said bevy was OK. I think "coterie" or "entourage" could work if you really don't like "cohort", which actually works for me as it sounds vaguely classic.
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https://www.google.com/search?q="coterie of handmaidens"
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"Entourage of handmaidens" gets over a thousand hits:
https://www.google.com/search?q="entourage of handmaidens"
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However, if we change handmaidens to vestals, there are no Google hits...
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaggle
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Goggle gaggle for a giggle...
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Oops, I meant "Google gaggle..."
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I was actually posting "gaggle" tongue in cheek. Discussed this over lunch with some Brits yesterday and they said bevy was OK. I think "coterie" or "entourage" could work if you really don't like "cohort", which actually works for me as it sounds vaguely classic.
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https://www.google.com/search?q="coterie of handmaidens"
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"Entourage of handmaidens" gets over a thousand hits:
https://www.google.com/search?q="entourage of handmaidens"
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However, if we change handmaidens to vestals, there are no Google hits...
Discussion
1. inspiring reverence or admiration; of supreme dignity or grandeur; majestic:
Es decir, "menos cutre". "No sex please, we're British". Basically, what I mean is that anything remotely likely to evoke a scholboy snigger should be avoided.
As for keeping out "virgins", the only reason I can see is that it is actually redundant. Vestals were supposed to be virgins, but I don't really see why keeping it would make the text less "august".
Claro que no cualquier coctelería. Todos los convocados a aquel debate acreditan una sobrada solvencia como barmen creativos, originales incluso en su apostura, gerentes de su propio negocio y actores de un espectáculo que en tiempos pasados identificaba a la hotelería y que se perdió cuando los promotores inmobiliarios entendieron que el negocio de un hotel era vender camas. Acabados estos arribistas inmobiliarios y extinta la hotelería como factoría de colchones, ahora toca iniciar un severo reciclaje hacia el hotel experiencial vivido como una fábrica de emociones. Lo hemos repetido hasta la saciedad en nuestros seminaries...