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Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Rückraupe

English translation:

caterpillar side boom / tracked pipelayer / side boom crawler and others

Added to glossary by Yorkshireman
Sep 17, 2014 08:27
9 yrs ago
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German term

Rückraupe

German to English Tech/Engineering Construction / Civil Engineering machinery
Comes from a dispute regarding the production of a belt conveyor system and ash dump. Most of the context is legal, so not much help for this term:

"Am 17. September 2014 hatten wir bereits Unterlagen zur benötigten Ausrüstung für das Rücken der Bandanlage auf der Kippe und Antworten zu Fragen betreffend die Rückraupe übermittelt."

You can get an idea of what it is from google images (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Rückraupe&biw=1536&bih=730... but absolutely no idea what this is called in English.

Thanks in advance.
Proposed translations (English)
5 +2 caterpillar side boom / tracked pipelayer / side boom crawler and others
4 skidder or caterpillar for shifting
3 skidding dozer
Change log

Sep 17, 2014 08:28: writeaway changed "Field" from "Law/Patents" to "Tech/Engineering"

Sep 17, 2014 08:38: Richard Stephen changed "Level" from "Non-PRO" to "PRO"

Sep 24, 2014 09:11: Yorkshireman Created KOG entry

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (3): Steffen Walter, Armorel Young, Richard Stephen

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Discussion

Yorkshireman Sep 18, 2014:
@Johannes Of course we can - to convert it into a Rückraupe.

A pipelayer/side boom crawler is equipped with precisely the equipment required for moving/shifting conveyor belts, it is used for this purpose, and is also called a Rückraupe, anyone who took the time to view and read my references has seen it in action - so where is your problem?

Rücken, or, to be more precise, Holzrücken, is limited to forestry and is more or less perfectly defined for this purpose in the answer you provided - which I also confirmed as being so for this particular industry as an addendum to my answer. I could have disagreed, but the information content was useful in nailing down what a Rückraupe isn't.
Johannes Gleim Sep 18, 2014:
@ Yorkshireman We can equip a caterpillar or crawler with any accessory for lifting or moving. The point is that we have no evidences about the construction or method. Therefore we cannot restrict the translation to a special crawler (caterpillar or pipelayer) or accessory (blade or boom).

After lot of research I concluded that the general term "Rücken" has no real equivalent translation in English, which encompasses all the German significations and proposed to paraphrase the sentence.
Yorkshireman Sep 18, 2014:
@Johannes Thank you for repeating (although not confirming) my alternative answers - pipelayer/Rohrverleger - which, as the context here is different, I have described as side boom crawlers (another common term)

A simple crawler or has neither lifting gear nor a dozer blade - the conveyor has to be lifted before it is moved.

The vehicles used have weights of 40 to 60 tonnes to counteract the weight of the conveyors to be moved - quite a bit of which is a counterweight on an outrigger to prevent the vehicle toppling!

I must admit that I rather admire your "Beharrlichkeit" in ignoring the references and pictures I posted :-)
Johannes Gleim Sep 18, 2014:
Rohrleger oder Planierraupe? Extract from Yorkshireman's link:

Weltweit findet man Rohrverleger auch Pipelayer genannt überall dort wo Wasser- Öl- oder Gasleitungen verlegt werden. In Deutschland werden sie überwiegend bei RWE Power und dort in den Tagebauen des Rheinischen Reviers eingesetzt. Sie dienen hier zum Rücken von Bandanlagen, sind aber auch besonders für das Wechseln von Fördergurten geeignet (Bild 1).
http://www.rdb-ev.de/Datentauschordner/2011/bb_06_2011.pdf
Anm.: auch Rohrleger können zum Rücken verwendet werden, der Kontext setzt das aber keine Rohrleger voraus.
Note: pipelayers can used as well as crawerls for moving the belt conveyor, the context says nothing about the method or the machinery.

@ Thomas: Do you know something about the type of machine (crawler or pipelayer) or how this "Rücken" will be effected?
Yorkshireman Sep 18, 2014:
What the context does say is... ...that the vehicle is a RÜCKraupe, NOT a RÜCKEraupe.

A Rückraupe is a side boom crawler, a Rückeraupe is a logging crawler aka in the industry as a "logging cat".

Another reference I posted long ago describes/explains the entire process of moving/shifting a conveyor with Rückraupen and shows one of them in use: http://tinyurl.com/mpsz6z5

Here's a picture of several of them shifting a conveyor at Garzweiler:
http://tinyurl.com/qga252t

Seite 263/PDF-Seite 25
Johannes Gleim Sep 18, 2014:
shifting or lifting? The contexts says nothing about constructional Details of the "Rückraupe", especially nothing about any possible boom. It is also probable that the tractor/caterpillar moves the conveyor belt with its blade.
Yorkshireman Sep 17, 2014:
Unklar? It is, in my opinion, a rather difficult task to PUSH anything with a crane mounted on the SIDE of a tracked vehicle.

The action with a side boom crawler is lifting the object and moving it forwards (or backwards, or to one side), for example, in this case, very probably to spread the conveyed material over another area (or to start a new heap). To push it, you might just as well use a bulldozer. To pull it or drag it, any kind of vehicle mounted winch or a simple towbar hitch and cable would do the trick.

But it doesn't really matter - the vehicle is the question, not the method
Johannes Gleim Sep 17, 2014:
Unklar, ob das Band beim Rücken gehoben oder geschoben wird.
Thomas Roberts (asker) Sep 17, 2014:
agree That was the cause of pasting Kranraupe by mistake into the previous question (now deleted).
Yorkshireman Sep 17, 2014:
Can be misleading... ...as a Rückraupe and Kranraupe are two names for the same machine.

The designation in English can also be misleading, as pipelayers (generic name) are used in many industries, not just for pipe laying.

In fact, these side-mounted cranes on caterpillar tracks are a modification of caterpillar tractors for many purposes, including "rücken" = shifting of conveyor belts in opencast mining (Braunkohle/lignite) or on disposal sites, for instance for fly ash from power stations.
Coqueiro Sep 17, 2014:
Pro or Non-Pro is the question: Are you sure that this question could be answered by any bilingual person without the aid of a dictionary?
This is not about persons with specialist technical knowledge!
Thomas Roberts (asker) Sep 17, 2014:
It's a straight translation which any person (bilingual or not) with specialist technical knowledge should know.
I've also on various occasions received objections that my questions shouldn't be classed as pro, so at least posting as non-pro saves us wasting time and effort discussing that.
writeaway Sep 17, 2014:
Why is this posted as non-pro? Is this something any bilingual person would know without looking it up?

Proposed translations

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caterpillar side boom / tracked pipelayer / side boom crawler and others

Generally used for pipelaying - the caterpillar sideboom is a tracked tractor with a crane jib on the side. An example is the Cat 589.

Also called a tracked pipelayer, side boom crawler, crawler- tractor/side boom, crawler with side boom or crawler tractor side boom crane - it all depends on the manufacturer.

Examples of these are used at the Garzweiler opencast mining site.

International manufactures a crawler with side boom with the designation TD-25

http://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/showthread.php?9613-Larg... one of the posts in this forum shows two at work.

Here's the reference to the "Rückraupen" / "Kranraupen" at work in Garzweiler - described as a Rückraupe, Rohrleger, Pipelayer and Rohrverleger

http://tinyurl.com/qga252

Here's a picture of one involved in shifting (rücken) of a conveyor belt in an opencast mine
PDF page 25

http://tinyurl.com/qga252t


http://tinyurl.com/mpsz6z5
Shifting a conveyor in lignite mining operations - the process explained, with pictures of the equipment.


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My tip: enter side boom crawler in Google (images)

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The great advantage of a side boom crawler is that the object to be moved can be shifted while the tractor moves forwards rather than pulling it perpendicular to the object with a rear mounted boom, jib or winch.

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-09-17 10:07:25 GMT)
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Asker: my choice would be side boom crawler, although caterpillar is a recognised term for tracked tractors, despite it being a brand name.

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Note added at 1 hr (2014-09-17 10:20:35 GMT)
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If anyone wants to buy one, look here:
http://www.impact-enterprises.com/0304.htm

A snip at only 220,000 USD!

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BTW: a crane crawler/crawler crane is a completely different animal. A crane on a rotating platform, mounted on caterpillar tracks.

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Note added at 15 hrs (2014-09-17 23:36:20 GMT)
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BTW 2;

A Rücketraktor (English: logging tractor) is a vehicle, usually wheeled, used in forestry for pulling felled trees out of the underbrush - tracked or wheeled excavators are often used for this purpose by replacing the bucket on the end of the backhoe with chains that are hitched around one end of the log.

Agricultural tractors can be used for logging by fitting a skidder attachment - a lever and chain mechanism attached to the rear hydraulic or mechanical lifting gear (usually used for raising a plough) that lifts the front end of a log off the ground to make it easier to pull without snagging.

Interestingly enough, although these vehicles have generally replaced Rückepferde, horses are increasingly being used in environmentally-sensitive forest areas as the damage to the ground is much less.

Here's a National Geographic video on horse logging (Rückepferde are logging horses)

http://video.nationalgeographic.com/video/horses-logging?sou...

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BTW 3:
In forestry, a Harvester - which fells trees, strips the trunk of its branches and cuts logs to size, also has a towing facility for skidding (towing) logs.

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http://tinyurl.com/nacem45

Eine Rückraupe ist eine Raupe mit beweglichem,
seitlichem Kranausleger und Rückrollenkopf
zum Versetzen, also zum Rücken, einer Bandanlage.
Sie zieht die Bandanlage in annähernder
Parallelfahrt zur Seite. Die bis dato eingesetzte
Technik – Komatsu D 155A – ist mit Rückköpfen
ausgerüstet, die nur manuell unter teilweise
körperlich schweren Anforderungen betätigt
wird. Das Ein- und Ausspannen der Vorrichtung
erfolgt direkt über entsprechende Kipphebel des
Rückkopfes und erfordert immer, dass der Fahrer
aussteigt. Ausrutschen, Fallen, Quetschen,
all das ist nicht ausgeschlossen. Kommen noch
widrige Wetter- und Sichtverhältnisse dazu,
wird es ganz schwierig.

A rather more exotic Rückraupe is shown together with various others, like a DET or Konmatsu, on this site - a converted Russian or ex-NVA T-55 tank:
http://www.bmm-schlegel.de/Spezialmaschinen.htm

"Rückraupe

Raupe mit beweglichem, seitlichem Kranausleger und Rückrollenkopf zum Verschieben (= Rücken) einer Bandanlage; zieht Bandanlage in annähernder Parallelfahrt zur Seite."
Source: http://www.lmbv.de/index.php/Glossar.html#glR
Note from asker:
If you didn't know the manufacturer which term would you pick?
Thanks very much for the extra comments!
Peer comment(s):
agree Richard Stephen : Your answer is probably the better choice.
22 hrs
Thank you Richard
agree Coqueiro : admiring your Beharrlichkeit ;-)
1 day 25 mins
Thanks Coqueiro :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks very much for all the references."
40 mins

skidding dozer

I'm familiar with the term 'Rücken' (skidding) from the timber industry, but it seems to be used here as well. Instead of timber the belt is moved (skidded).
Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuei1NiHtOg

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14 hrs

skidder or caterpillar for shifting

Rücken einer Bandanlage = shift
Rücketraktor = skidder
Raupe = track, crawler track, caterpillar
(Kučera, Dictionary of Exact Science and Technology)

sent by smartphone

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First, a video and some photos:

DRESSTA SB-85PT (Belt Conveyor Shifter).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHk2zPtH1a0

Weißt Du auch in welchem Tagebau die Aufnahmen speziell von der Rückraupe gemacht wurden?
http://forum.bauforum24.biz/forum/index.php?showtopic=4100&s...
http://www.bmm-schlegel.de/Spezialmaschinen.htm

Ausgezeichnete Planiereigenschaften
An der Planierraupe PR 754 bietet Liebherr die Möglichkeit den sogenannten „Bandrückbügel“ in wenigen Mannstunden zu montieren und die Grundmaschine zu einer „Bandrückraupe“ umzurüsten. Dadurch können lange Förderbandanlagen seitlich versetzt werden.
http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=...

With its robust and effectively practical components, the crawler tractor PR 754 Litronic features outstanding availability, even under the toughest operating conditions.
http://www.liebherr.com/EM/en-GB/region-US/products_em.wfw/i...

Attention: Do not mismatch the Liebherr series RL with series PR. RL stands for “Rohrleger”(pipelayer) but PR is a universal crawler. PR stands for “Planierraupe” (dozer).

[0051] An wenigstens einer Längsseite des Stetigförderers 1 ist an den Gleitkufen 18 als Mittel zum Anschlagen einer mobilen Rückeinrichtung ein Rückschienenprofil 23 vorgesehen, welches mit einem komplementär ausgebildeten Gleitschuh einer mobilen Rückeinrichtung in Form eines Krans mit Ausleger zusammenwirken kann. Das Rückschienenprofil 23 erstreckt sich durchgängig über die gesamte Länge des Stetigförderers, sodass ein kontinuierliches Rücken der Einrichtung möglich ist.
http://www.google.gg/patents/DE102009040940A1?cl=de&hl=de (Original)
[0051] At least one longitudinal side of the continuous conveyor 1 is on the skids 18 as a means for attaching a mobile device, a rear back rail profile 23 provided which can cooperate in the form of a crane jib with a complementary shaped shoe of a mobile device back. The rear rail profile 23 extends continuously over the entire length of the continuous conveyor so that a continuous back of the device is possible.
http://www.google.gg/patents/DE102009040940A1?cl=en (translation)

5. Tagebau-Gewinnungsverfahren nach einem der Ansprüche 1 bis 4, dadurch gekennzeichnet, dass das zweite Fördermittel mittels Rad- oder Raupenlader oder Kettendozer oder Hydraulikbagger mit Planierschild in Richtung auf den Abbaustoß gerückt wird.
6. Tagebau-Gewinnungsverfahren nach Anspruch 5, dadurch gekennzeichnet, dass das Rücken des zweiten Fördermittels diskontinuierlich bzw. schrittweise erfolgt.
http://www.google.com/patents/DE102009035061A1?cl=de (Original)
5. Open cast mining method according to any of claims 1 to 4, characterized in that said second conveyor means wheeled or tracked loader or bulldozer or excavator with dozer blade is moved toward the working face.
6. Open cast mining process according to claim 5, characterized in that the back of the second conveyor is intermittently or stepwise.
http://www.google.com/patents/DE102009035061A1?cl=en (Translation)

dosiertes Rücken controlled pushing ; snaking
http://www.grubenbewetterung.de/Bergbau_D_E.pdf

A conveyor mover which may be used to move an auger conveyor or a belt conveyor from one location to another such as between grain bins.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20120175218

Domain Coal industry
de
Term das dosierte Ruecken ( eines Foerderers )
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
en
Term snaking ( of a conveyor )
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l...
Domain Coal industry
de
Term Ruecken des Ausbaus unter Andruck oder unter Aktivkraft
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
en
Term to advance the supports in contact with the roof
Reliability 3 (Reliable)
http://iate.europa.eu/SearchByQuery.do?method=searchDetail&l...

Offensichtlich wird das, was in Deutschland mit “Rücken” bezeichnet wird, im Englischen anders betrachtet. Jedenfalls konnte ich keine genormte Übersetzung finden, sondern nur Umschreibungen. Vielleicht sollte man auch in diesem Fall den Sachverhalt umschreiben und den Satz umstellen, z.b. so:
Am 17. September 2014 hatten wir bereits Unterlagen und Antworten zur benötigten Ausrüstung (Planierraupe) für das Verschieben der Bandanlage übermittelt."
=>
“On September 17, 2014, we already submitted documents and answered questions in regard to the required equipment (bulldozers, crawlers, caterpillars, etc.) for moving/baking/shifting/skidding the conveyor system."
Or shorter
“On September 17, 2014, we already submitted documents and answered questions about the required moving/backing/shifting/skidding equipment for the conveyor system."
Peer comment(s):
neutral Yorkshireman : A Rücketraktor is usually a wheeled logging tractor used in forestry - it replaced Rückepferde, which, incidentally are increasingly being used again in environmentally sensitive areas. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rückepferd
34 mins
The term "Rücken" is independent of the power source (horse or crawler) and the application field (forestry or mining).
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