saber ser y saber estar

12:23 Mar 7, 2019 

My proofreader didn't raise any quibbles, so the end I delivered the article with the phrase translated literally (Students should not only know, but know how to do, and know how to be). I also told the client that some translator colleagues thought the phrase could be paraphrased or made more explicit, but that I'd decided to just use a literal translation. If the article gets accepted for publication without the journal's reviewers drawing attention to it, I'll take that as sufficient justification. Otherwise, we can tweak it later. Thanks again to everyone for contributing to this one.

15:33 Feb 27, 2019 

learn to acquire ... not just knowledge but also life skills

13:14 Feb 27, 2019 

Do-be do-be do-be do

11:31 Feb 27, 2019 

I've sent the first draft off to my proofreader colleague for revision without changing the sentence I originally proposed, to see if it gives her pause without my drawing attention to it, and if so, what she suggests.

10:17 Feb 27, 2019 

I was originally going to simply use "students should not only know, but know how to do, and know how to be", but now that the first draft is ready, and in the light of the comments below, I'm not very happy with the sentence as it stands. I may have to go with one of the more explicit versions suggested.

08:44 Feb 27, 2019 

Spanish writers seem to be rather enamoured of the term "know-how" and the idea here seems to be to turn into a sort of similar triple whammy, a writer's flourish, if you like. Despite the purported lack of context, the contributions so far have given me more than enough food for thought, which I sincerely appreciate.

08:37 Feb 27, 2019 

=I think I've provided enough context for this type of query, i.e. brainstorming. I really just want to hear some opinions about this. I find it interesting that some people would actually try to maintain the "estar" component rather than simply merging ser/estar into "be".

22:28 Feb 26, 2019 

I think the lack of context with this question might have led to what might turn out to be some fruitless discussion.

22:21 Feb 26, 2019 

Ah, thanks, Molly!

22:20 Feb 26, 2019 

Context is clearly important, but by wording it that way, you're not reflecting either the educational jargon that's explicitly mentioned in the source text or even the essence of what that jargon refers to. "Learning to know" doesn't simply mean "acquiring knowledge" (which is just another way of saying "learning").

Moreover, Neil's question is specifically about understanding the difference between "ser" and "estar" here. I certainly wouldn't have guessed that "estar" was synonymous with "convivir".

The suggestion you've given also omits "saber ser" entirely, when it's clearly a fundamental concept.

It could be translated faithfully without too much repetition, for example, "...not only learn how to know, but how to do, be and live together".

22:16 Feb 26, 2019 

They call them educators at my (U.S.) school district.

21:07 Feb 26, 2019 

I think this partly depends on the context. All that repetition sounds weird, and unless it's (say) a policy document that must be translated exactly, I would simplify and rewrite it - something like "not only acquire knowledge, but learn to put it into practice and live together with others."