This site uses cookies. Some of these cookies are essential to the operation of the site, while others help to improve your experience by providing insights into how the site is being used. For more information, please see the ProZ.com privacy policy.
Cookie settings
после возникновения основания для их предъявления
сверх неустойки (пени)

Glossary entry

Russian term or phrase:

свержение существующего строя и установление военной власти

English translation:

military coup d'etat

Added to glossary by Oleg Lozinskiy
Jul 25, 2020 20:37
3 yrs ago
24 viewers *
Russian term

свержение существующего строя и установление военной власти

Russian to English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s)
Описание форс-мажорных обстоятельств:

восстание, революция, свержение существующего строя и установление военной власти, гражданская война.

..

интересно, это входит в одно понятие или свержение строя - это одно, а установление военной власти -это другое?
Proposed translations (English)
3 +4 military coup d'etat
4 ousting the existing power and establishing military power
4 overthrow of existing government and imposition of martial law
4 to stage a military coup
3 toppling the current regime and establishment of the military junta
Change log

Jul 25, 2020 20:37: changed "Kudoz queue" from "In queue" to "Public"

Aug 4, 2020 10:57: Oleg Lozinskiy Created KOG entry

Discussion

Boris Shapiro Jul 26, 2020:
Если есть коллеги-лексикологи, кому любопытно Пример коллеги со словом power побудил меня критически пересмотреть соответствующую статью в Апресяне.
Смотрите:

"3) юр. власть
legislative [executive, judicial] power — законодательная [исполнительная, судебная] власть
separation of powers — разделение властей (законодательной, исполнительной и судебной)

<...>

5. 1) право, полномочие
large powers — широкие полномочия
treaty-making power — право заключения договоров
power of substitution — право передоверия
delegation of powers — передача полномочий"

Обратите внимание, что это оформлено как два отдельных значения.

Но в англоязычных словарях типа WUD или OED такого смыслового разделения не наблюдается. Единственное значение, которое подходит и к первой, и ко второй группе примеров - это:

'Legal ability, capacity, or authority to act; delegated authority; authorization, commission, faculty; legal authority vested in a person or persons in a particular capacity.' (OED)

'а. (1) : a delegated right or privilege : prerogative (2) : delegated authority <...> c. : legal authority' (WUD)

Вот так и получается, что наше представление о "властях" и их представление не совпадают.
Oleg Lozinskiy Jul 25, 2020:
To: stakeholders "Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason."

«Мятеж не может кончиться удачей,
В противном случае его зовут иначе.»
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Харингтон,_Джон

Proposed translations

+4
11 mins
Selected

military coup d'etat

https://www.google.ru/search?newwindow=1&biw=1045&bih=730&tb...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 13 мин (2020-07-25 20:50:36 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Coup d'état
political intervention

Coup d’état, also called coup, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group. The chief prerequisite for a coup is control of all or part of the armed forces, the police, and other military elements. Unlike a revolution, which is usually achieved by large numbers of people working for basic social, economic, and political change, a coup is a change in power from the top that merely results in the abrupt replacement of leading government personnel. A coup rarely alters a nation’s fundamental social and economic policies, nor does it significantly redistribute power among competing political groups. Among the earliest modern coups were those in which Napoleon overthrew the Directory on November 9, 1799 (18 Brumaire), and in which Louis Napoleon dissolved the assembly of France’s Second Republic in 1851. Coups were a regular occurrence in various Latin American nations in the 19th and 20th centuries and in Africa after the countries there gained independence in the 1960s.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/coup-detat

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 16 мин (2020-07-25 20:53:47 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

См. также: https://www.google.ru/search?newwindow=1&biw=1045&bih=730&tb...

Примеров, согласно результатам гугл-поиска, несчитано:
https://www.google.ru/search?newwindow=1&biw=1045&bih=730&tb...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 27 мин (2020-07-25 21:04:34 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

На русском языке также именуется "военный перевррот":

Военный переворот — захват власти в государстве военными, осуществляемый с нарушением действующих на данный момент конституционных и правовых норм.
https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Категория:Военные_перевороты
Peer comment(s):
agree Boris Shapiro
8 hrs
Thank you, Boris!
agree Igor Timko
13 hrs
Thank you, Igor!
agree DTSM
1 day 10 hrs
Thank you, DT SM!
agree Vera Klink
2 days 11 hrs
Thank you, Vera!
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Спасибо, Олег!"
15 mins

ousting the existing power and establishing military power

this may refer either to separate events or to a combination of both.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Oleg Lozinskiy : And who exactly is "ousting existing power" and "establishing military power"? As it appears, in 1917 nobody of the Russian 'establishment' had the power and Bolsheviks just grabbed it (without knowing what they would do wirh this 'power').
46 mins
"who exactly" is not clarified in the source, so why should it be in the translation?
neutral Boris Shapiro : This use of 'power' is non-idiomatic. A word-for-word translation, to be sure. // In this case I think it does. I know of no examples of such usage. You can have separation of powers, but you don't have a 'military power' or 'existing power' among these.
8 hrs
"word-for-word translation" does not mean "wrong"
Something went wrong...
17 mins

toppling the current regime and establishment of the military junta

Разные виды исторических событий
Peer comment(s):
neutral Oleg Lozinskiy : And who exactly is "toppling the current regime and establishing military junta"? And why so many words to translate?
14 mins
The toppling of, if you prefer..
neutral Boris Shapiro : Calling the previous political system a 'regime' is akin to taking sides, don't you think? Rather inappropriate for a legal text.
8 hrs
I concede the point. "Government" for "regime" and "rule" for "junta" sounds about right. Talking 'bout перо & топор.
Something went wrong...
31 mins

overthrow of existing government and imposition of martial law

.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Oleg Lozinskiy : См. например: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d'état_attem... "Мятеж не может кончиться удачей, в противном случае его зовут иначе." (Сэр Джон Харингтон в вольном переводе С.Я. Маршака) (см. Вики - сюда гиперссылка не влезла).
14 mins
Something went wrong...
2 days 11 hrs

to stage a military coup

I'd replace the lengthy Russian phrase with the simple expression "to stage a military coup". In a coup, by definition, the military (or paramilitary, or opposing political faction) deposes the current government and seizes political power.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 2 days 12 hrs (2020-07-28 08:37:45 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

To answer your question: интересно, это входит в одно понятие или свержение строя - это одно, а установление военной власти -это другое?

A military coup includes both. But if you wanted to separate the two concepts, then свержение строя = overthrow the government; установление военной власти = imposition/declaration of martial law. These are just some examples.
Reference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Something went wrong...
Close search
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search