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Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

abogada procesalista

English translation:

litigation specialist

Added to glossary by Mary Bauer
Sep 24, 2020 05:39
3 yrs ago
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Spanish term

abogada procesalista

Spanish to English Law/Patents Law (general) UK lawyer titles
Morning!
I think in US English (I am an American) this would be a trial attorney. I am very confused about the differences between barrister and solicitor...

The term is on a CV. She is a recent graduate. Here are some of the tasks she performs as an "abogada procesalista"

Departamento de Procesal Bancario. Preparación de documentación jurídica, redacción de todo tipo de escritos jurídicos (contestaciones a demandas, recursos, escritos de alegaciones y de trámite, entre otros), contacto constante con letrados y procuradores

Any clarification is greatly appreciated. Mary
Proposed translations (English)
4 +1 litigation specialist
4 trial lawyer
4 barrister
3 Litigator; E&W > Solicitor- or Legal Executive-Advocate
References
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Discussion

AllegroTrans Sep 25, 2020:
Asker Can you please tell us all why a UK term is needed? Is it because this person is employed in the UK?
Rebecca Jowers Sep 24, 2020:
@in general I know Mary asked for "UK lawyer titles, but even if a client asks for a translation into British English, I'm not sure it's advisable to translate "letrado" or "abogado" (or any other legal practice discipline such as "procesalista") as either "solicitor" or "barrister", since the functions of Spanish lawyers are not divided along solicitor/barrister lines and "lawyer" will usually suffice in most contexts. (Just a suggestion.)
AllegroTrans Sep 24, 2020:
@ Rebecca I based my comment on the fact that the Asker has headed this "UK lawyer titles". It's unclear at the moment, hence my query. I agree that this person may well be a litigation specialist, but at least in the UK that it is not in itself a lawyer title.
Rebecca Jowers Sep 24, 2020:
@AllegroTrans When offering my answer, I assumed the text refers to a Spanish lawyer working in a Spanish firm (not a lawyer practicing in the UK), since in her CV says she works in a "Departamento de Procesal Bancario," drafts Spanish legal documents ("contestaciones a demandas, recursos" etc.), and is constantly in contact with "letrados y procuradores," who are presumably the ones taking the cases to trial.
AllegroTrans Sep 24, 2020:
We haven't enough context If this person practices in the UK, we need to know in which jurisdiction (there are 3) and a little more about her. As I see it, she could be a qualified solicitor, a trainee solicitor, a legal excutive or even simply a law clerk or paralegal. "Recent graduate" might even be in non-legal discipline. If you are to translate her job title accurately into UK English, it might be better to ask her direct. Describing her as something she is not could have serious implications.
philgoddard Sep 24, 2020:
You say "UK lawyer titles" and "I am confused about the differences between barrister and solicitor". But you shouldn't be trying to find a UK equivalent - this is not a UK job title.

Proposed translations

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litigation specialist

"Trial lawyer" (and "litigator") would be appropriate for a lawyer who actually goes to trial. But the text says that this is the CV of a recent law graduate who prepares the "escritos" and interacts with the "letrados y procuradores" who will apparently be taking those documents to court. Thus, characterizing her as a trial lawyer or litigator may appear to be somewhat of a misrepresentation. In this case, I think "abogada procesalista" refers to the fact that she specializes in procedure, rather than actually appearing at trial.
Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
1 hr
Thanks, Phil
neutral AllegroTrans : Please see my comment to asker; insufficient context
9 hrs
Hi, Allegro. I posted a comment above concerning the context Mary provided
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thank you. Someone else made the comment that we should not try to find a perfect UK English fit, when the concept and reality is just DIFFERENT in Spain... I think I said litigation specialist and courtroom assistant (or something like that) which the client was happy with..."
1 hr

trial lawyer

That's how I'd put it
Reference:

https://www.proz.com/kudoz/english-to-spanish/law-general/6095414-trial-partner.html

Note from asker:
I think this is what we would say in the USA... not in England
Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : Please see my comment to asker; insufficient context
11 hrs
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3 hrs

barrister

Easy to look this up.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-09-24 09:06:43 GMT)
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Processing LinkBarrister - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Barrister
A barrister is a type of lawyer in common law jurisdictions. Barristers mostly specialise in courtroom advocacy and litigation. Their tasks include taking cases in superior courts and tribunals, drafting legal pleadings, researching the philosophy, hypothesis and history of law, and giving expert legal opinions.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-09-24 09:11:36 GMT)
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Recent graduate should not disqualify her. She would have to be admitted to the barristers' bar, however (one of the 4 "Inns of Court").

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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-09-24 09:12:12 GMT)
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Recent graduate --> Recent graduate status


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Note added at 3 hrs (2020-09-24 09:19:05 GMT)
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ALTERNATIVE: Barrister's assistant.
Ref.:
Processing LinkBarrister's Assistant - Middle Templewww.middletemple.org.uk › download › file › fid
DOC
Birmingham based barrister, specialising in regulatory crime, requires legal assistant – duties to include legal research, case preparation, some conference and Court work, administration, word processing and other matters arising in the course of practice.
Peer comment(s):
neutral philgoddard : She can't be a barrister, because this concept doesn't exist in Spanish-speaking countries. The job description is different too.
1 hr
My best answer was "barrister's assistant". "Barrister" is fine because, even though it might not be a calque, this is a translation. I disagree with your comment that the job description is different -- maybe you have secret context that I didn't see.
neutral AllegroTrans : I don't think she is as highly qualified as a barrister
9 hrs
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Litigator; E&W > Solicitor- or Legal Executive-Advocate

Litigator vs. litigant as a party arguably works both in the US and UK - including Scotland that has Advocates for Barristers.

..' contacto constante con letrados y procuradores' > IMO had regular contact with Solicitors and Barristers / I call myself a Procurador de los tribunales - see my profile.

Note that UK Solicitor-Advocates - may also be a requalified barrister for VHCC : very high-cost cases - and Legal Executive-Advocates / requalified para-legals / have *rights of audience in the higher courts in the UK*,

BTW, Barristers-at-Law - note the initial caps - have until a couple of years ago only pleaded the cases filed by the 'Instructing Solicitors' and, because of 'hidebound' restrictive practic/ses, had not until recently been able to launch the action itself. Special courses are now being offered in such an obvious exercise.

A woman Notary Public in Central London declined to certify a translation of mine that defined the gender of the femal lawyer in point,
Reference:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/law-general/5679907-procesalista.html

http://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=litigator

Peer comment(s):
neutral AllegroTrans : Please see my comment to asker; insufficient context
8 hrs
OK. Litigator sounds superior, though, to a 'litigation support lawyer' in the Bank's Litigation Dept. - that Rebecca J.'s comments suggest.
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Reference comments

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Reference:

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Note from asker:
Thank you! Very useful...
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree AllegroTrans : Interesting discussion, but if this person (in the CV) has a UK legal professional status, it is rather irrelevant
12 hrs
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