Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

mayoría minoritaria

English translation:

simple majority

Added to glossary by Justin Peterson
Nov 4, 2020 18:51
3 yrs ago
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Spanish term

mayoría minoritaria

Spanish to English Other Government / Politics
A minority majority?

Huh?

Careful: we do use this to refer to, for example, an area in which a national minority is a regional or local majority. This is NOT the idea

"Bien es cierto que sus mayorías minoritarias estaban mucho más cerca de la mitad más uno de los miembros... que en las Legislaturas 11 y 12."
Change log

Nov 9, 2020 08:13: Justin Peterson changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/593612">Justin Peterson's</a> old entry - "mayoría minoritaria"" to ""minority government/parliament // winning party without overall majority""

Discussion

Chema Nieto Castañón Nov 9, 2020:
Justin I promise I won't insist any more!! ;)
And just to be clear, I do not take this as a who-is-right game; I do have a genuine interest in knowing which English expression does fit better here.

Now, just one last remark; forgetting about my own concerns about the alternative usage of simple majority, notice that even allowing for that secondary meaning of "simple majority", when talking of "a simple majority that is closer to a half-plus-one majority" (or "closer to a lean majority"), will not the reader convey there is now a narrower majority than in previous terms, as per the primary meaning of "simple majority"? -which is but the opposite of what you are trying to express here.
I guess I am stuck with this reading and so I cannot but wonder if your context is so unambiguous so as to allow the opposite meaning to get through! -and even more so when "relative majority" seems to work fine in this case (to my Spanish ears at least!).
Justin Peterson (asker) Nov 9, 2020:
Chema: it's a close call, indeed Yes, "simple majority" is potentially confusing, but, technically, it CAN have that alternative meaning. Judgment call. Thanks for your cooperation.
Chema Nieto Castañón Nov 9, 2020:
Thank you both, Marie and Justin. I'll be pleased with passing the points to Marie; no problem with that, really.

As for "simple majority", I have commented in answer -as I have written another long think-it-over note. I'll be glad were we to get a clear conclusion; I am still concerned "simple majority", other than possibly confusing, cannot be used to refer to a less-than-half majority in this context. But I will be glad to leave my doubts aside and prove myself wrong!
Marie Wilson Nov 9, 2020:
Justin No worries, and Chema really did give more thought to the question than I did.
Justin Peterson (asker) Nov 9, 2020:
Thanks Marie ... some people REALLY want their points, and I did want you get them. Not sure if there is a mechanism to do so. Thanks for your note
Marie Wilson Nov 9, 2020:
@Justin I don't think you need to worry about the points. I think all the answers here could be valid depending on the specific context, and that is the good thing about Kudoz when looking up terms--you see all the answers and not just the selected one.
Justin Peterson (asker) Nov 9, 2020:
I was wrong and apologize The PRIMARY meaning of "simple majority" refers to a party having more than half of the votes ... BUT a secondary meaning is one having more than any other party. It is confusing, but this answer was correct. // Moderator: I modified the Glossary, but how can I reassign points? Thanks
Chema Nieto Castañón Nov 7, 2020:
The 2010 election produced a hung parliament, with no one party holding an overall majority of seats in the Commons, leading to a Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government. (...) The 2017 election produced another hung parliament and the government exhibited yet another form: a minority government dependent on a small party (...)
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/1467-923X.12...


I believe the original refers to the votes of one party holding a relative majority of votes over any other single party and which numbers are closer to a lean majority than in previous terms -but do not hold yet more than half of the votes, needed to pass their own laws.

If "simple majority" were really to imply this idea of less-than-half but more than any other single party and not-enough-votes-to-pass-a-law, then I'll also have to agree. But I may be reading it all wrong anyway; context might prove helpful here.
Chema Nieto Castañón Nov 7, 2020:
@Marie Hi Marie, I believe "simple majority" might be misleading here.

With plurality or relative majority rule, the winner is the alternative that obtains a higher number of votes than any other alternative while not requiring a particular proportion of votes, a result that may imply minority support.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

the April 28 Spanish Parliament election, in which the Spanish socialists won a relative majority and will thus need to seek support from other parties to form a majority.
https://www.nationalia.info/new/11208/spains-general-electio...

simple majority
more than half of the total number of votes cast
relative majority
the excess of votes or seats won by the winner of an election over the runner-up when no candidate or party has more than 50 per cent
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/majorit...
Lisa Rosengard Nov 4, 2020:
I believe it's a bare majority since it mentions a 'minority majority', which was closer to the half-way line plus one of its members.

Proposed translations

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minority government/parliament // winning party without overall majority

This one is tricky. It refers to a winning party (the party with the highest/greater number of representatives ["mayoría"]) that does not have a majority of overall seats (mayoría "en minoría"; mayoría minoritaria). This does not make sense in a two-parties "game" like in the US but it does in Europe. In England they talk about a hung parliament when this happens. You could use minority government/parliament. As the Asker states, a minority majority does not work for it has a fully different meaning; mayoría minoritaria refers to "a winning party without overall majority". Although I am not sure if there is a more succint expression to convey this in English.

In the particular context of the Asker, sus mayorías minoritarias estaban más cerca de la mitad más uno que en anteriores legislaturas; their minority government/parliament was closer to [a lean majority] than in previous parliamentary terms

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This may be it;

A plurality vote (in the United States) or relative majority (in the United Kingdom and Commonwealth) describes the circumstance when a candidate or proposition polls more votes than any other but does not receive more than half of all votes cast.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plurality_(voting)#:~:text=A...



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i.e.
... their relative majorities were closer to [lean majorities]...

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Hi Justin, I admit it is confusing and yet I still feel "simple majority" is not right in your context.

For example, on a yes/nay vote, absolute majority implies one option holds more than half of the votes of eligible members while simple majority conveys one option holds more than half of actual votes -disregarding absentees. See here for instance (US): https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Also (US), on simple majority rule:
https://study.com/academy/lesson/simple-majority-definition-...

(Australia):
This section clearly refers to a simple majority, that is, a majority (half plus one) of the senators present and voting. A simple majority is distinguished from an absolute majority in the Constitution by the requirement in section 128 (...)
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practi...
(UK):
So there are 639 lawmakers who are considered to be active. That means any government needs 320 votes for a simple majority.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/a...


Now, when more than two candidates are racing, simple majority voting determines the winner will be the candidate with the greatest number of votes.

Simple Majority Voting Issues
For instance, among a pool of four candidates nominated for a single seat, a winner can be determined from who gets the maximum number of votes
https://www.meridiaars.com/sometimes-a-simple-majority-isnt-...


But even here, they refrain from explicitly calling the greatest number of votes a "simple majority". It is only in Indian-English texts and some other translated texts that I have been able to find "simple majority" used with this meaning -other than some online-dictionaries definitions-, while "relative majority" is indeed used this way;


With simple plurality, the winner is the candidate supported by only a relative majority, that is, by a higher number of voters than any other candidate but not requiring any particular number, proportion, or threshold of votes. In practice, this makes it possible for generally binding decisions presumably decided by “majority” to actually be won by only a minority of voters. Plurality rule has traditionally been used in England and the United Kingdom and in modern times in former British colonies, including the United States, Canada, and India. Plurality-based electoral systems are also called first-past-the-post and winner-takes-all systems
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://...

And so this is why I wonder whether "simple majority" could be actually used in your context with that pressumed "secondary" meaning of "simple majority", for I feel it does not make full sense used this way here.

I am sorry anyhow for, as I said before, I might well be misleading you on this, complicating things unnecessarily. What I am certain about is what the Spanish original conveys, and that is not an actual majority (more than half of the votes); in English it seems "simple majority" could be used to convey this meaning of a less-than-half-of-the-votes majority -as per some dictionary definitions- but having found not a single example where it is used as such, well, I feel like Thomas: bring hither thy hand, and put it into my side. Again, sorry about that ;)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Despite the multiple agrees on "simple majority", it is incorrect and this seems to be the best solution"
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13 mins

simple majority

♦ mayoría minoritaria simple majority, relative majority
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/mayoría-propia.69100...

mayoría absoluta absolute majority
mayoría minoritaria simple majority ⧫ relative majority
mayoría relativa simple majority ⧫ relative majority
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/spanish-english...
Peer comment(s):

agree Manuel Aburto
57 mins
Thanks, Manuel :-)
agree philgoddard : The asker clearly didn't Google this, as the first hit is a dictionary giving a translation.
1 hr
Thanks, Phil :-)
agree Nawal Kramer
1 hr
Thanks, Nawal :-)
agree Muriel Vasconcellos
2 hrs
Thanks, Muriel :-)
agree Graciela Silvia Parma
2 hrs
Thanks, Silvia :-)
agree AllegroTrans
4 hrs
Thanks!
agree EirTranslations
14 hrs
Thanks!
agree James A. Walsh
15 hrs
Thanks, James!
agree neilmac
1 day 29 mins
Thanks, Neil :-)
neutral Chema Nieto Castañón : Hola Marie, en este caso parece no referirse a una mayoría simple "ajustada" (lean majority; simple majority) sino a una relative majority (una mayoría que no consigue superar el 50% de los votos/de la cámara)//*see Discuss.
2 days 3 hrs
There are different definitions of simple majority (less than half of the total votes cast but more than the minimum required to win, as when there are more than two candidates or choices.) https://www.dictionary.com/browse/simple-majority
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21 mins

Bare majority

Please see the link below for use in politics:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/example/english/bare-majori...
Peer comment(s):

disagree AllegroTrans : Wrong connotation
4 hrs
agree Adrian MM. : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_rule#cite_note-Logic-... and also closer to the implicit idea of a 'hung parliament'.
1 day 1 hr
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9 hrs

lean majority

I would say despite the multiple agrees...

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think about it
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12 hrs

A slim majority

Another possibility, commonly used
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