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Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

legacy benefits

French translation:

Anciennes prestations

Added to glossary by Odile Raymond
Mar 5, 2021 23:20
3 yrs ago
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English term

legacy benefits’

English to French Other Law (general) Description
Here is a paragraph that I have in a text

Universal Credit replaces income-related Jobseekers Allowance, income-related Employment Support Allowance, Income Support, Housing Benefit, Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit. These older benefits are now called ‘legacy benefits’. You cannot make a new claim for legacy benefits from 27 January 2021 apart from Housing Benefit which you can claim if you are in specified supported or temporary homeless accommodation.
Proposed translations (French)
4 Anciennes prestations
4 -1 allocations / prestations sociales de type ancien
3 allocations (sociales) précédentes
3 -1 avantages anciens
4 -2 une prestation remplacée par un revenu mensuel
2 -2 Avantages en terme de succession
References
pour voir explication
Change log

Apr 2, 2021 10:27: Odile Raymond Created KOG entry

Discussion

Daryo Mar 9, 2021:
ph-b What I said has nothing to do with "personal opinion". Did you get from it even the slightest hint as to what would be my personal opinion about Universal Credit? Don't think so.

My point is that knowing the background / the developments / the history behind the issues can make a significant difference when translating. Whatever dictionaries have to say, "context" - which would include any background information, even not mentioned in the text itself - counts far more for the first step: understanding the ST.
ph-b (X) Mar 8, 2021:
Daryo, Quand le traducteur lit dans un texte source, a fortiori un document officiel, que l'auteur a utilisé le verbe to replace, il irait à l'encontre des principes de la profession s'il ne traduisait pas d'une manière ou d'une autre par l'idée de remplacement, quels que soient les termes qu'il utilise. Tout le monde se fiche éperdument de ses sentiments personnels à propos du thème discuté.
Daryo Mar 7, 2021:
As someone who followed for years all the political saga around the Universal credit, I can tell you that all the previous benefits didn't "disappear" nor where really "replaced" at all. The main point was just to have one "amalgamated benefit" whereby instead of up to 4-5-6 separate claims and payments there would only one claim, and only one payment, while the total amount was supposed to stay the same.
ph-b (X) Mar 7, 2021:
Eliza, À propos de votre observation : ""Précédents" makes it sound like they have ceased to exist." C'est le cas. Reprenez le texte que j'ai cité dans ma réponse : « If you already get other benefits, Universal Credit is replacing the following benefits: » Les anciennes allocations, celles qui ont disparu, sont reprises dans la liste qui suit (voir l'extrait dans ma réponse). Si vous en étiez bénéficiaire, elles sont remplacées par ce Universal Credit. La phrase est claire.
Daryo Mar 7, 2021:
Pas exactement ... "des avantages déjà obtenus"

pas vraiment des "avantages" - le terme officiel est "prestations sociales" (ou plus précisément "prestations de protection sociale"), plus connues sous le nom de "allocations" (de logement, familiales etc.)

et "déjà obtenus" fait penser à "l'acquis communautaire", ce qui serait un mauvais parallèle.
polyglot45 Mar 6, 2021:
avantages déjà obtenus

Proposed translations

1 day 14 hrs
English term (edited): legacy benefits
Selected

Anciennes prestations


"Anciennes prestations"
https://www.legislation.cnav.fr/Pages/reglementation.aspx?Th...
"L'allocation aux vieux travailleurs salariés (AVTS) créée en 1941 était attribuée aux salariés qui ne disposaient pas de ressources suffisantes".

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"Cette allocation n'est plus attribuée. Elle continue à être servie. L'allocation de solidarité aux personnes âgées (ASPA) remplace, à partir du 01/01/2006, les anciennes allocations qui constituaient le minimum vieillesse".
Peer comment(s):
neutral Eliza Hall : "Anciennes" hits me the wrong way, because the old-style allocations will continue for existing recipients. "Anciennes" makes it sound like they have ceased to exist.
2 hrs
To my mind, they can be said to be "anciennes" from the moment that their names no longer exist.
neutral Daryo : my only reserve is that "anciennes prestations" would have disappeared, while the point of the "Universal Credit" is just to calculate all these benefits together in one go, instead of each one of them separately. One unique payment instead of many.
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Avantages en terme de succession

Pas sûre comment le terme général de Legacy (héritage/legs) renferme tant d’options ici.
Peer comment(s):
neutral polyglot45 : rien à voir
11 mins
disagree Daryo : Legacy (héritage/legs) has nothing to do with this text
19 hrs
disagree Eliza Hall : No, not at all.
1 day 8 hrs
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9 hrs

avantages anciens

Des avantages qui existaient par le passé.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Eliza Hall : "Avantages" isn't the word for government-funded welfare programs. That's prestations sociales or allocations.
1 day 8 hrs
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1 day 4 hrs
English term (edited): legacy benefits

allocations / prestations sociales de type ancien

similar to the idea of "Ancien Régime" = how it was done before

"income-related Jobseekers Allowance, income-related Employment Support Allowance, Income Support, Housing Benefit, Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit"

these kind of "benefits" are officially called "allocations / prestations sociales" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestation_sociale_en_France

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This kind of "legacy" is the same as in "legacy software" = "software inherited from the past" / "software that used to be used in the past"

see: "You cannot make a new claim for legacy benefits" => it's no longer done that way, that's now in the past.
Peer comment(s):
disagree Francois Boye : you don't understand the concepts of this text
1 hr
Seriously?? Sitting in Virginia in US you know better the ins and outs of the UK system than someone living there for decades? As for understanding any concept as used in the context of a specific text you do "have form" ...
agree Eliza Hall : This is exactly the concept: allocations/pr. soc. that previously existed have been replaced by a new program, so new applicants will get the new kind, while existing recipients continue to get the "type ancien."
12 hrs
Thanks!
disagree Odile Raymond : The concept may be right, but the wording is not./"Allocations de type ancien" does not make a jarring impression on you because, as a non- native speaker of French, you do not have that linguistic intuition.
14 hrs
Just because your personal associations for "de type ancien" involve earthenware doesn't mean that no one else would ever see it differently. I learned that from my own past mistakes.
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1 day 9 hrs
English term (edited): legacy benefits

allocations (sociales) précédentes



On parle des allocations remplacées par ce universal credit :

Universal Credit is replacing the following benefits:
Child Tax Credit
Housing Benefit
Income Support
income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA)
income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA)
Working Tax Credit
https://www.gov.uk/universal-credit

On n'est pas obligé de faire du mot à mot ici ; ce qui compte dans ce type de texte, c'est que le langage soit clair et précis.

D'où peut-être :

You cannot make a new claim for legacy benefits from 27 January 2021 apart from...
>
« À compter du 27 janvier 2021, vous ne pourrez plus demander à bénéficier des allocations versées précédemment, sauf en ce qui concerne... »

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Note : effacer « (sociales) » de ma réponse.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Eliza Hall : "Précédents" hits me the wrong way, because the old-style allocations will continue for existing recipients. "Précédents" makes it sound like they have ceased to exist.
8 hrs
Voir discussion.
neutral Daryo : "des allocations versées précédemment" strictly speaking wouldn't be correct, as they are still being paid to those who were receiving them at the cut-off date. // these benefits are simply "old style/previous version" they haven't vanished - not yet.
2 days 10 hrs
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une prestation remplacée par un revenu mensuel

A legacy benefit is a benefit which is being replaced by Universal Credit . There are six legacy benefits: Income-based Jobseekers Allowance. Income-related Employment and Support Allowance. Income Support


Universal Credit - GOV.UKwww.gov.uk › universal-credit

Universal Credit is replacing 6 other benefits with a single monthly payment if you're out of work or on a low income -



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Note added at 20 hrs (2021-03-06 19:28:23 GMT)
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Erratum: Prestations remplacées instead of 'une prestation remplacée'

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Note added at 1 day 20 hrs (2021-03-07 19:41:03 GMT)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Credit
Peer comment(s):
disagree Daryo : this would explain nothing: the "old style / legacy" benefits are as much a kind of "revenu mensuel" (except when they are in fact weekly, bi-weekly, trimestrial, annual one-off .. just details) as the new one (the "Universal Credit")
12 hrs
disagree Eliza Hall : As Daryo said.
1 day 1 hr
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Reference comments

9 hrs
Reference:

pour voir explication

https://www.disabilityrightsuk.org/legacybenefits

avantages dont on a déjà bénéficé pour lesquels on ne peut plus faire de (noveulle) demande
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree Daryo : relevant reference - all well explained, but here "benefits" = "prestations sociales" https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestation_sociale_en_France
18 hrs
ce sont néanmoins des avantages.....
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