Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
plus-value
English translation:
additional charge
Added to glossary by
Michael Meskers
Aug 31, 2021 01:23
2 yrs ago
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French term
plus-value
French to English
Bus/Financial
Business/Commerce (general)
Hi all -
I am translating document from a machinery equipment and supplies wholesaler in France.
I am not sure how to translate "plus-value" in this context.
"Added value" or "capital gains" do not seem likely.
Context:
"Bons pour accord" :
A partir d'aujourd'hui, il est formeliement interdit de passer des "bons pour accord" sans commande SAP par mail, fax et/ou téléphone. Cette pratique nous ferme toute possibilité de négociation !
Plus-values :
Plus aucune plus-value ne sera acceptée sans justificatif !!!
Si la plus-value est due à un problème usine :
Une demande de note de crédit est nécessaire avec une explication claire et précise de la valeur de cette note de crédit.
Si la plus-value est due au monteur :
Mettre en place une procédure de mise en demeure par courrier recommandé dès constatation du problême
Si la plus-vaiue est due au client :
Discussion avec Mr. ABC quant à la marche à suivre (facturation supplémentaire ou prise en charge par Société XXX)
Si la plus-value est due à Société XXX : Justification par mail impérative
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Thanks for any help!
Michael
I am translating document from a machinery equipment and supplies wholesaler in France.
I am not sure how to translate "plus-value" in this context.
"Added value" or "capital gains" do not seem likely.
Context:
"Bons pour accord" :
A partir d'aujourd'hui, il est formeliement interdit de passer des "bons pour accord" sans commande SAP par mail, fax et/ou téléphone. Cette pratique nous ferme toute possibilité de négociation !
Plus-values :
Plus aucune plus-value ne sera acceptée sans justificatif !!!
Si la plus-value est due à un problème usine :
Une demande de note de crédit est nécessaire avec une explication claire et précise de la valeur de cette note de crédit.
Si la plus-value est due au monteur :
Mettre en place une procédure de mise en demeure par courrier recommandé dès constatation du problême
Si la plus-vaiue est due au client :
Discussion avec Mr. ABC quant à la marche à suivre (facturation supplémentaire ou prise en charge par Société XXX)
Si la plus-value est due à Société XXX : Justification par mail impérative
===============
Thanks for any help!
Michael
Proposed translations
(English)
4 +1 | additional charge | AllegroTrans |
4 | added value | Francois Boye |
3 | cost overrun | Marco Solinas |
3 | value markup | Adrian MM. |
2 | overpricing | David Hollywood |
4 -2 | Over-charging | Andrew Bramhall |
Proposed translations
+1
8 hrs
Selected
additional charge
The text is saying that no additional charge may be billed unless there is a specific justification
Peer comment(s):
agree |
Yvonne Gallagher
: I think this fits best for the various contexts...extra charges must be justified
3 hrs
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thanks
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agree |
Nikki Scott-Despaigne
4 hrs
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thanks
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disagree |
Daryo
: S.t. is seriously not right. // "une note de crédit" given by "a machinery equipment and supplies wholesaler" to its client would mean the buyer getting some money back / a reduction in price the exact opposite! More context needed!
21 hrs
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Whatever you say, this is about possible extra charges - think about it
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Comment: "Thanks a lot!"
49 mins
overpricing
not really sure here but along these lines IMO
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Note added at 56 mins (2021-08-31 02:19:58 GMT)
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or: overestimates
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Note added at 57 mins (2021-08-31 02:21:15 GMT)
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When costs are overestimated, the owner ends up paying more than necessary or may decide not to proceed with the project. Contractors can also face negative consequences if they overestimate project costs: they are likely to lose in competitive bidding or they may be regarded as scammers, hurting their reputation.
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Note added at 56 mins (2021-08-31 02:19:58 GMT)
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or: overestimates
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Note added at 57 mins (2021-08-31 02:21:15 GMT)
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When costs are overestimated, the owner ends up paying more than necessary or may decide not to proceed with the project. Contractors can also face negative consequences if they overestimate project costs: they are likely to lose in competitive bidding or they may be regarded as scammers, hurting their reputation.
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
AllegroTrans
: This has a rather negative connotation
15 hrs
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neutral |
Daryo
: kind of, but without the negative connotation
1 day 6 hrs
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-2
6 hrs
Over-charging
seems more likely than 'overpricing' here;
Peer comment(s):
disagree |
Tony M
: That carries a negative connotation that is not present in the S/T — 'surcharging' would be a better bet, but not sure if it can be used in these contexts?
33 mins
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Thanks
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disagree |
AllegroTrans
: Agree with Tony; a neutral term is required
2 hrs
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Yep, thanks.
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8 hrs
1 day 8 hrs
value markup
rather than an extra charge and, pace Daryo, triggering a credit note from the customer to the wholesaler who might have 'volunteered' extra value by mistake e.g. by supplying two machines instead of one - not unknown vs. moins-value as a value markdown.
Plus value could also be a goodwill entry so excess value on a/cs.
Plus value could also be a goodwill entry so excess value on a/cs.
Example sentence:
I need to issue a credit memo for a billable expense. How do you create the Markup and Expense credits?
The difference between margin and markup is that margin is sales minus the cost of goods sold, while markup is the the amount by which the cost of a product is increased in order to derive the selling price.
2 days 23 hrs
added value
Added value to a quotation is the typical expression to make sense of this sense of 'plus value'.
https://www.forumconstruire.com/construire/topic-75390.php
What'is it about? To determine whether a quotation's value can be increased, to which French law provides many responses, as detailed in the following attachment:
https://www.mesalertesetconseils.fr/2016-09/devis-etabli-et-...
According to the text submitted by Asker, the way to benefit from an added value is to reject any deal with no room for renegotiation.
The way to shun the inconvenience of any added value is cost-cutting.
Wikipedia proposes the following definition of 'plus value':
Littéralement, une plus-value désigne une augmentation de la valeur d'une entité qui n'a subi aucune transformation ou modification matérielle. Néanmoins, il est possible de rencontrer ce terme dans un contexte de modification de contrat d'une transaction.
Cas concret, lors de la signature d'une notice descriptive avec un constructeur immobilier, tout changement, modification ou ajout de votre part, à la suite de cette signature, peut entraîner une plus-value sur la construction.
Par exemple, l'ajout d'un appareillage électrique, telle qu'une prise de courant) fera l'objet d'une plus-value par rapport au contrat initial.
De la même façon, le choix d'un carrelage de sol plus grand ou de taille différente entraînera aussi une plus-value. À coût de marchandise équivalente, il est possible que le coût de main d'œuvre soit plus élevée.
https://www.forumconstruire.com/construire/topic-75390.php
What'is it about? To determine whether a quotation's value can be increased, to which French law provides many responses, as detailed in the following attachment:
https://www.mesalertesetconseils.fr/2016-09/devis-etabli-et-...
According to the text submitted by Asker, the way to benefit from an added value is to reject any deal with no room for renegotiation.
The way to shun the inconvenience of any added value is cost-cutting.
Wikipedia proposes the following definition of 'plus value':
Littéralement, une plus-value désigne une augmentation de la valeur d'une entité qui n'a subi aucune transformation ou modification matérielle. Néanmoins, il est possible de rencontrer ce terme dans un contexte de modification de contrat d'une transaction.
Cas concret, lors de la signature d'une notice descriptive avec un constructeur immobilier, tout changement, modification ou ajout de votre part, à la suite de cette signature, peut entraîner une plus-value sur la construction.
Par exemple, l'ajout d'un appareillage électrique, telle qu'une prise de courant) fera l'objet d'une plus-value par rapport au contrat initial.
De la même façon, le choix d'un carrelage de sol plus grand ou de taille différente entraînera aussi une plus-value. À coût de marchandise équivalente, il est possible que le coût de main d'œuvre soit plus élevée.
Discussion
It sounds like some kind of "difference in value" between the fractured/agreed price and a "corrected price", due to a correction that turned out to be needed after the sale due to some post-sale changes/problems.
And if this particular/peculiar type of "plus-value" has to be "accepted" by the boss of the sales team, it most likely means LESS money for this company!
What makes no sense whatsoever is that
"une note de crédit" would in effect mean that the client has to pay LESS than the initially agreed price, while
"facturation supplémentaire" would in effect mean that the client has to pay MORE than the initially agreed price.
The usual problem of the "implied context" being omitted by the author for being "blindingly obvious", but not so obvious for the translator.
It surely makes perfect sense once you know the whole story, .... which is?
Who is giving this "note de crédit" to who exactly?
Who is presenting "une facture supplémentaire" to who exactly?