commissioner

French translation: fournisseur

07:27 Sep 17, 2021

English to French translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Materials (Plastics, Ceramics, etc.)

English term or phrase: commissioner

Hi everyone,

I'm translating a material safety sheet and I'm having trouble with "commissioner". I can't quite grasp this meaning/role, all the more that in this particular document, it's the same company as the manufacturer.
On the first page there is "Commissioned by:" and "Commissioner address", and later on:

"This file is only effective to the batteries [battery type] provided by commissioner (XYZ) which [are] manufactured by XYZ. The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy."

My (poor) attempts at translation: "Commandé par :" / "Adresse de l'émetteur de la commande :" and

"Ce fichier ne s'applique qu'aux batteries [type de batterie] fournies par l'émetteur de la commande (XYZ) et fabriquées par XYZ. L'émetteur de la commande renseigne les données sur la composition des batteries, et garantit leur intégrité et leur exactitude."

Thanks in advance!

Natalia Tchoulaevski KudoZ activity Questions: 16 (4 open) (3 without valid answers) Answers: 0 France
Local time: 16:14

French translation:fournisseur

Explanation:
Bonjour Natalia,

C'est au fournisseur d'un produit que revient la tâche de fournir la FDS.

Il est possible que le fabricant du produit soit le fournisseur, mais il peut aussi faire appel à un distributeur qui va se charger de mettre le produit sur le marché. Le distributeur devient à son tour fournisseur.

Dans ce cas, le fabricant et le fournisseur sont deux entités différentes. Le fabricant transmet alors la FDS au distributeur (devenu fournisseur) qui va apposer son nom dessus avant de la transmettre en aval de la chaîne d'approvisionnement.

Voir la page 7 et 8 de la brochure INRS ed954, où un diagramme avec les différents acteurs de la chaîne d'approvisionnement sont représentés et des explications sont données.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

En espérant que ça puisse aider.

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See example in discussion thread

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"Fournisseur" est le terme géneral regroupant les importateurs, les distributeurs, voire les utilisateurs en aval.

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Anthony Couturier
France
Local time: 16:14

Grading comment

Thanks, Anthony, for your explanation and reference file.
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Summary of answers provided

Fiche préparée à la demande de // Demandeur // Client [du laboratoire de cerficification]

Daryo

2 +2

commanditaire

Tony M

auteur (de la commande)

Johannes Gleim

4 -1

les préparateurs (pour l'utilisation) d'accumulateurs au plomb / de batteries

Daryo

fournisseur

Anthony Couturier

Discussion entries: 6

Daryo

United Kingdom

Interesting ...

03:55 Sep 22, 2021

it seems that how the term is used in a specific ST [as opposed to what has to say a "context-free" glossary or dictionary entry ...] does matter after all!

Another trap to avoid: "un train peut en cacher un autre" or in plain speak: if a company appears in more than one role (/ under more than one hat), you can't just conflate them.

The fact that the "commissioner" of the Data Sheet happens ALSO to be a supplier (and manufacturer and ...) DOES NOT mean that you can simply equate the two.

Anthony Couturier

France

07:39 Sep 21, 2021

Please check Section 16 of this MSDS for the lithium battery ES004104-01 from Emergostar:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

It uses the standard text format. In this case Emergostar B.V is the commissioner and Hangzhou EmergoEast Trading Co., Ltd. is the manufacturer.
See Emergostar B.V website:
https://www.emergostar.com/en/

Clearly, Emergostar B.V is a “fournisseur/distributeur” of the product and not a company specialised in the writing of SDS.

Daryo

United Kingdom

"lithium-ion batteries"

14:14 Sep 17, 2021

is just what was needed to solve the puzzle.

Natalia Tchoulaevski

France

ASKER

11:57 Sep 17, 2021

Daryo,
Unfortunately I don't have any details except that they're lithium-ion batteries.
Florence,
Thanks for the input.

Daryo

United Kingdom

@Natalia Tchoulaevski

10:21 Sep 17, 2021

Are these by any chance lead-acid batteries?

Or some kind of special/custom order?

What are these batteries supposed to be used for?

To build a bank of back-up batteries?

This "material safety sheet" goes with each individual battery offered for sale OR it's part of the paperwork that goes with a bank of back-up batteries installed by this "commissioner"?

Details, details ... the devil is in the details!

What is sure one way or another is that "batteries [type de batterie] fournies par l'émetteur de la commande" makes about as much sense as "price paid by the seller" - can't work.

florence metzger

08:02 Sep 17, 2021

distributeur???

Answers

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): -1

commissioner of a lead-acid battery les préparateurs (pour l'utilisation) d'accumulateurs au plomb / de batteries

Explanation:
the sense of "to commission" HERE is the same as in "commissioning" a newly build factory - making it ready for its intended (/"for real") use.

lead-acid battery are often delivered dry without the sulphuric acid in them, so before you can start using them you need to "commission them" i.e. fill them with acid.

In the real world ONLY lead-acid batteries need this kind of "commissioning", other types of batteries are already "ready for use" when they cross the factory gates.

Can't see what else could make any sense - what other kind of "commissioning / commissioner" would involve giving a "material safety sheet" together with delivered batteries.

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:14
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 8

56 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

commanditaire

Explanation:
Isn't that what we'd normally say in this sort of context? I'm assuming it is 'the person who has commissioned the production of this MSDS'

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Here is just one of very many Google hits where 'commissioner' is used in exactly this sense; the point being that the person commissioning the MSDS may not necessarily always be the actual manufacturer (as happend fortuitously to be the case here)

Safety Data Sheetshttp://sds.staples.com › msdsPDF

Tel:+86-769-3893 3228
Fax:+86-769-3893 3229
E-mail: [email protected].
Safety Data Sheet (SDSs).
Type/Mode.
Commissioned by.
Commissioner address.

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This is all about who commissioned the writing of the MSDS — perhaps counter-intuitively, it isn't necessarily always the manufacturer!
But to anyone in the field, this is standrad terminology — in EN, at any rate; less sure about FR, though it is certainly used.

Tony M
France
Local time: 16:14
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 37

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Tony.

1 day 12 hrs confidence:

auteur (de la commande)

Explanation:
Term: commissioner
Term: auteur de la commande
Reliability: 3
https://iate.europa.eu/entry/slideshow/1631993683328/873174/...

This file is only effective to the batteries [battery type] provided by the commissioner (XYZ) which [are] manufactured by XYZ. The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy
->
Ce fichier ne s'applique qu'aux piles [type de pile] fournies par l'auteur (de la commande) (XYZ) qui [sont] fabriquées par XYZ. L'auteur (de la commande) fournit les informations relatives à la composition des piles, et en garantit l'intégrité et l'exactitude.

Johannes Gleim
Local time: 16:14
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 12

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Johannes.

3 days 15 hrs confidence:

commissioner (***OF THIS DATA SHEET***) Fiche préparée à la demande de // Demandeur // Client [du laboratoire de cerficification]

Explanation:
personally I prefer

"Fiche préparée à la demande de:"

with a large enough sample of various "data sheets"

(1) -- for lithium-ion batteries and

(2) -- containing verbatim the text "The commissioner provides the composition information of batteries, and promises its integrity and accuracy"

the fog is gone.

In these Data Sheets "the commissioner" is the company that has "commissioned" an authorised laboratory/testing centre to prepare a "data sheet" for their product.

In the samples found, you have one factory that keeps creating confusion as it has its own "testing centre/laboratory" so you get that factory "commissioning ITSELF" - more accurately asking its own approved / authorised / registered "testing centre" to prepare an official data sheet.

BUT you have also many other samples of data sheets issued by that same "authorised testing centre" at the request of other manufacturers, and on these data sheets there couldn't be any doubts about who or what is a "commissioner ***of a data sheet***"

https://duckduckgo.com/?q="The commissioner provides the com...

Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 15:14
Native speaker of:

Serbian,

French
PRO pts in category: 8

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Daryo, for your explanation and input. I'll be paying more attention to the exact type of product in the future :) I think your suggestions are among the closest, as well.

1 day 9 hrs confidence:

fournisseur

Anthony Couturier
France
Local time: 16:14
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French
PRO pts in category: 4

Grading comment

Thanks, Anthony, for your explanation and reference file.

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