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Oct 28, 2021 14:02
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French term

rémunération principale

French to English Bus/Financial Human Resources Gender pay gap
l'entreprise est parvenu à quasiment supprimer l’écart de la rémunération principale entre les femmes et les hommes

The obvious answer is main/principal pay, but what does that mean here? I thought about basic pay, but this seems always to be trannslated by "de base".
Proposed translations (English)
2 +2 base salary
4 earned income/gross earnings
4 gender pay gap
4 main pay
4 -1 payscale salary

Discussion

SafeTex Nov 6, 2021:
@ Daryo I've looked at this again and you MUST be right. The company has announced that they are bringing women's basic salary into line with men's, but that men will continue to be paid more for overtime, working on Sundays and Public Holidays. Gee, male management even get a company car to get to work while women have to bus it

That must be why the company said "basic pay" and so you have to rule out "gender pay gap" at all costs.

Nice work Daryo🤣🤣🤣
Daryo Nov 5, 2021:
@ SafeTex I think it could be safely presumed that if anyone had the audacity to point out to the proud practitioners of the "traduttore traditore" school of translating that there are better alternative methods, the indignated reply would surely include the ultimate proof: "who can know Italian better than we do!".

Also, "not getting bogged down" in details, when the ST takes the trouble to go into details is really very "innovative" ...

Brendan McNally (asker) Nov 4, 2021:
Thanks all for your ideas, I'm not sure what the answer was that the client wanted, I asked the project manager to ask the client, but she never got back, so I guess they just went with what I put, which was "basic salary".
SafeTex Nov 1, 2021:
@ Daryo Well, sometimes you have to understand that the French are going to chose a word/phrase that an English speaker would never use to put over the same idea.
But of course, you are not an English speaker so you don't always spot these and so stubbornly want to translate word for word to produce yet another Serb bastardization of the English language.
No one else seems to have had a problem with my casual remark and even if you don't agree, there are more friendly ways of saying so.
Daryo Nov 1, 2021:
Interesting method ... "I think that most English speakers would simply speak of the gender pay gap (Bokani) and not get bogged down in what pay exactly."

So being "English speaker" gives you open licence to twist the meaning of the terms used as you please / to accommodate your limited understanding of the subject and / or to not bother with the nuances expressed in the ST?

Who cares what exactly the author was saying, just any term vaguely related to what's in the ST will do?
SafeTex Oct 29, 2021:
@ all I think that most English speakers would simply speak of the gender pay gap (Bokani) and not get bogged down in what pay exactly. I mean they are hardly likely to put men and women on the same basic pay and then say men are going to get twice as much overtime pay per hour.
Conor McAuley Oct 29, 2021:
No need for more context, it's simple as.
Daryo Oct 29, 2021:
Do you have any indications as to what is included in /excluded from this "rémunération principale" for the purpose of this ST?

Otherwise:

Le salaire de base est la rémunération principale définit par le contrat de travail.

Salaire se compose du salaire de base et des accessoires du salaire et des heures suppl. (effectués après leurs normal) ou complémentaires Salaire au sens du droit du travail ...

https://www.studocu.com/fr/document/universite-dorleans/gest...
Brendan McNally (asker) Oct 28, 2021:
Thanks everyone for your helpful suggestions. There are 2 or 3 plausible answers here, so I'm going to ask the client to be sure and I'll let you know.
thanks again
philgoddard Oct 28, 2021:
Thanks Here's a list of the different forms of remuneration included in the index:
http://index-egapro.travail.gouv.fr/
I don't believe "base pay" covers it, because it also includes things like bonuses.
Brendan McNally (asker) Oct 28, 2021:
The whole phrase:
L'entreprise est parvenu à quasiment supprimer l’écart de la rémunération principale entre les femmes et les hommes et a obtenu, au titre de 2020 et pour la deuxième année consécutive, une note globale de 95/100 à l’index Egapro
Emmanuella Oct 28, 2021:
Pourriez-vous citer la suite de la phrase pour une meilleure compréhension? Merci
Emmanuella Oct 28, 2021:
... The substantial gap between ?
Emmanuella Oct 28, 2021:
Une erreur, i.e : ... supprimer ( réduire) l'écart principal de rémunération ?

Proposed translations

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32 mins
Selected

base salary

I think thi is what they mean
Peer comment(s):
agree Adrian MM. : https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-dutch/business-commerce...
5 hrs
agree Daryo : the nearest
21 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, I'm not sure what the answer was that the client wanted, I asked the project manager to ask the client, but she never got back, so I guess they just went with what I put, which was "basic salary". "
34 mins

earned income/gross earnings

this is really about the gender differential or gender pay gap

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

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Note added at 35 mins (2021-10-28 14:38:11 GMT)
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I think basic salary is probably OK too though I take your point

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Note added at 36 mins (2021-10-28 14:39:36 GMT)
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https://www.epi.org/publication/what-is-the-gender-pay-gap-a...

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Note added at 41 mins (2021-10-28 14:43:53 GMT)
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note that wage differentials are measured in different ways
Peer comment(s):
neutral Daryo : basic salary is most likely OK
22 hrs
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1 hr

gender pay gap

It leapt out at me when I read:

l’écart de la rémunération principale entre les femmes et les hommes

'Gender pay gap' in the UK:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwor...

The International Labour Organisation (ILO) also refers to the 'gender pay gap':
https://www.ilo.org/wcmsp5/groups/public/---ed_dialogue/---a...

But I've also come across the 'gender wage gap'
Peer comment(s):
disagree Daryo : it's related to, but not the term to translate
21 hrs
agree SafeTex : And yet, this is what an English speaker is most likely to say.
1 day 2 hrs
Thanks!
neutral Yvonne Gallagher : so it didn't leap out at you from my answer? Anyway, it is not the term asked
1 day 9 hrs
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1 hr

main pay


England Pay Scales - NASUWThttps://www.nasuwt.org.uk › advice › pay-pensions › e...
*Main Pay* Range. Min M1, £25,714, £25,714. M2, £27,600, £27,600. M3, £29,664, £29,664. M4, £31,778, £31,778. M5, £34,100, £34,100. Max M6, £36,961, £36,961.

Pay Scales for the Fringe, Outer London and Inner Londonhttps://www.nasuwt.org.uk › advice › pay-pensions › p...
*Main Pay* Range. Min M1, £26,948, £26,948. M2, £28,828, £28,828. M3, £30,883, £30,883. M4, £32,999, £32,999. M5, £35,307, £35,307. Max M6, £38,174, £38,174.

Pay scales | NEUhttps://neu.org.uk › pay-scales
Pay range/point. England excluding London and Fringe. Inner London. Outer London. London Fringe. *Main Pay* Range Advisory Points.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Francois Boye : Your attachments refer to no private company//links are attached to a text
21 hrs
I think that trade unions do have a "little" insight into the world of work and pay! And Brendan is completing his answer selection procedure by asking the client [Edit]. (Also you mean links, not attachments.) / Yes, you must be right.
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-1
6 hrs

payscale salary

Rémunération principale

La rémunération principale est liée au grade. Elle est fonction de la classe et de l’échelon et s’exprime sous forme d’un indice (INM : indice nouveau majoré).
– Valeur mensuelle brute du point d’indice : 4,6860 euros au 1er février 2017.
– Valeur annuelle brute du point d’indice : 56,2323 euros au 1er février 2017.
Dernière augmentation :+0,6 % au 1er février 2017 !
Peer comment(s):
disagree Daryo : that would be fine for most public sector institutions - they all tend to have "grades/payscales" but most commercial entities DO NOT operate that way. // Having a whole range of salaries DO NOT imply that there is a formal "payscale" for various ranks.
16 hrs
private companies have payscales. No company puts on the same footing junior, senior and executive officers//https://www.ziprecruiter.com/blog/how-to-set-a-salary-and-cr...
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