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pour la première fois à l'instant même

English translation: immediately

22:25 Nov 11, 2021
French to English translations [PRO]
Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s) / Real-Estate
French term or phrase: pour la première fois à l'instant même
This is from a lease agreement contract, in the 'loyer initial' section.

Le loyer principal mensuel à la date de prise d'effet du bail est de 1877,00 € (Mille huit cent soixante-dix sept euros) hors charges payable par terme d'avance, le premier jour ouvrable du terme et pour la première fois à l'instant même pour la période à courir jusqu'à la fin du terme de prise d'effet du bail.

I don't understand what it's saying about for the first time at the same time? I can't get my head round the second half of this clause at all.

Thanks so much for any help.
Rupert Neaves
United Kingdom
English translation:immediately
Explanation:
It means that the first payment is due immediately, right now. See https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/instant/43418
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3 +8immediately
Marco Solinas
4payable .... thereupon, starting for the first time,
Adrian MM.
4Forthwith
Andrew Bramhall
4for the first time, contemporaneously herewith,
Eliza Hall


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pour la première fois à l\'instant même
immediately


Explanation:
It means that the first payment is due immediately, right now. See https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/instant/43418

Marco Solinas
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Jennifer Levey: Yes - where 'right now' refers to the date of signing the contract.
3 mins
agree  AllegroTrans: Yes, "for the first time" (i.e. the first rent payment) - payable immediately
8 mins
agree  Katarina Peters
1 hr
agree  philgoddard
1 hr
agree  Saeed Najmi
9 hrs
agree  Andrew Paul Kennett: Yes because as soon as the contract is signed, the first payment is due immediately so as to honour the contract.
13 hrs
agree  Yvonne Gallagher
13 hrs
agree  writeaway
1 day 15 hrs
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payable ... pour la première fois à l'instant même
payable .... thereupon, starting for the first time,


Explanation:
à l'instant même rang 'thereupon' bells from a previous ProZ question; see the first web ref.

Perhaps turn round the construction to make it read more naturally in 'clear' Clarity English lawspeak.

Well done to anyone who picked up on a 'scintilla temporis' > 'die juristische Sekunde' alternative from a recent DEU/ENG ProZ question : payable for the first time in a 'scintilla temporis'....

Example sentence(s):
  • This moment in time was described as the scintilla. temporis (the grant of the legal charge must necessarily have been executed after A received the fee. simple of the property
  • Il voudrait nous détruire à l'instant même si cela était possible. He would destroy us right now if that were possible.

    Reference: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-contracts/16...
Adrian MM.
Austria
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Andrew Bramhall: "thereupon"? "whereupon"?
28 mins
  -> up yours.
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54 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Forthwith


Explanation:
i.e, ' dans les plus brefs délais' ' forthwith' is more legalese than immediately:

"for the first time forthwith for the period up to the end of the term of the lease";

Andrew Bramhall
United Kingdom
Local time: 21:31
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  AllegroTrans: They both have exactly the same meaning and lawyers use them interchangeably
20 hrs
  -> Thank you!
neutral  Adrian MM.: like some earlier simplistic answers, you missed one half of the question. // Thank you!
13 days
  -> Up yours too.
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1 day 22 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
for the first time, contemporaneously herewith,


Explanation:
There's more than one way to translate this correctly, but this captures the formal/unnatural legalistic tone as well as the meaning, which is that the payment is made at the same time that the contract is signed.

Examples:
"For the reasons stated in the Memorandum filed contemporaneously herewith, the Court hereby rules as follows..." https://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/tennes...

..."they have entered into a Separation Agreement and Release of Claims ('Separation Agreement') contemporaneously herewith...": https://www.lawinsider.com/clause/contemporaneous-agreement

"WHEREAS, contemporaneously herewith, Parent, Seller, Secured Party and Brian Dick have entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement, pursuant to which Parent will acquire all of Seller’s membership interests in Company..." https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1442236/000119312513...

Eliza Hall
United States
Local time: 16:31
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Native speaker of: English
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Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Adrian MM.: you have, again, merely reworded my answer.
21 days
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