así que partió en su calesa...

07:59 Jan 1, 2022 

Thanks for your help Simone and Marcelo. Happy New year 2022 to you and your families!
Yugoslavia

12:27 Dec 28, 2021 

I know this is largely done, but being a museum worker, I can't do that. I always try to be faithful to the time the piece is set and, if necessary, educate the client to that respect.

01:19 Dec 28, 2021 

"...on the ST manipulation of Latin translators in Classical Antiquity, Nietzsche (1882/1974) states:

As poets […] they had no time for all those very personal things and names and whatever might be considered the costume and mask of a city, a coast or a century: quickly, they replaced it with what was contemporary and Roman. […] Indeed, translation was a form of conquest. Not only did one omit what was historical; one also added allusions to the present […].
(qtd. in Venuti ed. 67)

Similarly, in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries in Egypt “adaptation […] involved even changing the setting and names of characters in Molière’s plays” in Arabic translations from the French (Baker 1997: 323)" ("Metaphor and Agency" 2015: 94).
https://bridges.monash.edu/articles/thesis/Metaphor_and_agen...

12:05 Dec 27, 2021 

As I said, I won't get annoyed about historical inaccuracies because it is no point. Yesterday I got annoyed, but I am back to my fair policy, adhering to ProZ etiquette, agreeing to what I think is appropriate, regardless of who posted it. I live and breathe as I would like the world to be. I work with History. It is my speciality, so I always try to help and contribute as much as possible in this respect. If people are going to listen, it is not my problem. There is also the aspect that the asker does say US English, and people in the US don't usually go as deep in History as we do here in England. For example, we see the word renaissance, used for anything from the dark ages, middle ages to early twentieth century or hear "Your Majesty" at any time in History when the term started being used in the sixteenth century. But that is another story altogether.

11:56 Dec 27, 2021 

Carts, waggons and chariots are easily understood as well.

09:19 Dec 27, 2021 

Interesting comments. I'm not so sure how much something like historical accuracy would come into play in this context. That is, there may be reason to believe it might be more about the story here. In terms of a translation approach that might be preferred in this context, I'd imagine it could be a 'domesticating' approach here, hence my suggestion of '...carriage' -- an easily understood term in contemporary English, regardless of variety.

08:24 Dec 27, 2021 

@Marcelo, carriages did not exist at the time this story is set; chariots did. This is the same argument as using "police" on the other thread from this asker. Ali Baba is set at the time of the Mongol invasion, even though it was written in the 19th century. The problem is that the original is already historically incorrect. Then there is the issue that this is a second-hand translation. So I will contribute with the English part, but when it comes to the history, I won't go into more discussion because it really is not worth it. Even as far back as the Scythians, you find chariots, carts or waggons, not carriages.

04:30 Dec 27, 2021 

Someone may have agreed with my '...or carriage' suggestion (included in my original post), as 'horse-drawn carriage' would appear to be a very suitable option. The question of avoiding 'strong geographical connotations' is valid. Whenever I hear 'chariot,' I can't help but think of (the film) "Chariots of Fire" and such. It'd be interesting to hear what images and associations a term like 'calesa' might evoke for native speakers of the source language. Cheers from Vietnam :-)

19:37 Dec 26, 2021 

chariot
/ˈtʃarɪət/
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noun
1.
a two-wheeled vehicle drawn by horses, used in ancient racing and warfare.

09:56 Dec 26, 2021 

So someone prefers chariot but votes for buggy instead of voting for chariot, which is already horse-drawn anyway so no need to say that. No logic.