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de nature décennale

English translation: The whole expression

14:53 Jan 25, 2022
French to English translations [PRO]
Tech/Engineering - Construction / Civil Engineering / Guarantees/warranties under an outsourcing contract
French term or phrase: de nature décennale
Le sous-traitant doit justifier d’un montant pour cette garantie au minimum égal,
pour les ouvrages d’habitation, au coût des travaux de réparation des dommages matériels **de nature décennale** causés à l’ouvrage ;

I'm struggling with the logic of this sentence. What could "damage of a ten-year nature" mean? Or have I got it wrong?
Mark Bossanyi
Bulgaria
Local time: 12:50
English translation:The whole expression
Explanation:
I think this is indeed, as Daryo says, a question which has not been asked before, but the expression you need to ask on is the whole expression, "dommages matériels de nature décennale".

It simply means "material damage covered by the 10-year insurance-backed warranty".

Some types of material damage will not be covered by it.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2022-01-25 17:37:39 GMT)
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NB actually forget the "insurance-backed" ...
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Mpoma
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:50
Grading comment
Thank you, yes, that makes sense.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
3 +2The whole expression
Mpoma
4(material damage) falling under the 10-year guarantee
Bourth
4decennial (/once in a decade) level of [material damages to the building]
Daryo
4 -110 year guarantee (guarantee for repair over ten years)
Johannes Gleim
Summary of reference entries provided
Plenty of search results on this website
Conor McAuley

Discussion entries: 2





  

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38 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): -1
10 year guarantee (guarantee for repair over ten years)


Explanation:
Le sous-traitant doit justifier d’un montant pour cette garantie au minimum égal, pour les ouvrages d’habitation, au coût des travaux de réparation des dommages matériels **de nature décennale** causés à l’ouvrage ;

This means that the subcontractor provides a guarantee to the amount of the repair costs expected to be incurred within 10 years.

Only Builtin Accredited Builders can offer their clients our comprehensive 10 Year Guarantee.
https://builtininsurance.co.nz/10-year-guarantee/

The Kriega 10 – Year Guarantee - FAQ’s
:
What does the guarantee cover?
The guarantee covers defects in material and/or construction to include seams, seam tape, zips, stitching and construction materials.
What is not covered by the guarantee?
The guarantee does not cover damage due to (fair) wear and tear, crash damage, accidental damage, rips, tears, abrasion, chemical or fuel damage, UV degradation, misuse or neglect.
https://kriega.com/10-year-guarantee-faq

11. Building Guarantees in France
:
11.2. Builders Ten Year Insurance - Assurance Décennale
The assurance décennale taken out by the builder contractor covers their liability in the event of defects arising during the ten year guarantee period.
The insurance is obligatory and there are severe penalties for a builder (or architect) who does not carry appropriate insurance.
https://www.french-property.com/guides/france/building/new-b...

The subcontractor must provide evidence of (or justiy) an amount for this guarantee which, in the case of residential buildings, is at least equivalent to the cost of repairing material damage incurred over ten years to the structure;
or
… provide a 10 year guarantee for the structure

Johannes Gleim
Local time: 11:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: German
PRO pts in category: 189

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree  Daryo: it's related to, but IT'S NOT the term asked
1 hr
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
The whole expression


Explanation:
I think this is indeed, as Daryo says, a question which has not been asked before, but the expression you need to ask on is the whole expression, "dommages matériels de nature décennale".

It simply means "material damage covered by the 10-year insurance-backed warranty".

Some types of material damage will not be covered by it.

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Note added at 2 hrs (2022-01-25 17:37:39 GMT)
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NB actually forget the "insurance-backed" ...

Mpoma
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:50
Works in field
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thank you, yes, that makes sense.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kim Metzger
17 mins
  -> thanks
agree  Adrian MM.: insert 'long-stop' optionally before 10-year for BrE or OzE consumption of defects - rather than of 'disorders'.
23 mins
  -> thanks
neutral  Daryo: there is one "nuance" that I suspect is quite important (translates in a lot of money! ) - I think that what they meant is "(max costs of repairs) that could be expected to be needed over a 10 year period", not "whatever happens during next 10 year".
47 mins
  -> Ten-year building warranties cover certain types of (major) damage which can be proved to be, essentially, due to bad design or construction. I have never seen any suggestion that this damage is ever limited to a certain value, but if you can prove it...
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
(material damage) falling under the 10-year guarantee


Explanation:
I rather fear the Discussion box gets overlooked (it's not the first time I have felt this) so I'm posting an answer instead, though the credit goes to Bourth from some time back, in response to a question about "désordre de nature décennale" for which the translation "disorder covered by 10-yr guarantee", qualified further by "statutory 10-year guarantee for fabric and fixtures" if necessary.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-contracts/1...

I suggest a variation on the previous proposal, replacing "covered by" with "FALLING UNDER". This came to mind at first because I was thinking that "dommages" could be sequential secondary damage, not the defect actually covered by the guarantee. But the Code Civil uses "dommage".

In seeking to find examples of "damage" resulting from "defects" (I found none) I came across this explanation of the garantie décennale):
https://larevue.squirepattonboggs.com/french-construction-la...

where I note they use the term "decennial liability" and use "falling under" :
"To give an example of “damage” intended by Article 1792; if a wall has been built, but later falls down, this would be considered as damage FALLING UNDER the decennial liability rule. Visible defects like cracks in, or discolouration of the plaster, would not."


Bourth
France
Local time: 11:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 93
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3 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
[dommages matériels] de nature décennale [causés à l’ouvrage]
decennial (/once in a decade) level of [material damages to the building]


Explanation:
IOW the kind of damages than can reasonably (/statistically) be expected to occur during a 10 year period - only that "expected / probable amount of damage" has to be covered by this "guaranty" given by the subcontractor to the main contractor (which BTW is not the "decennial insurance" given to the buyer of the finished property)

If for example the building gets damaged by a once in 100 year storm there will be more damage to repair then after a once in 10 year storm - this "guaranty" must be enough to cover the "once-in-10 year level of damage" - if a "once-in-100 year storm" happens it's not this subcontractor's problem.

By analogy with "decennial" and "100-year flood", you could talk of the cost of repairing a "decennial" damage to the building.

This term is about the expected level of repairs that has to be covered by this guaranty given by one subcontractor, not about the insurance given to the final buyer.


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Note added at 5 hrs (2022-01-25 20:47:47 GMT)
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Le sous-traitant doit justifier d’un montant pour cette garantie au minimum égal, pour les ouvrages d’habitation, au coût des travaux de réparation des dommages matériels **de nature décennale** causés à l’ouvrage ;
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.... has to prove/show that the amount covered by this guarantee ... is at least equal to the costs of repairing a decennial (/once in a decade) level of material damage to the building.


"la nature" des dommages matériels = a property / characteristic of the amount/ level of material damage.


Daryo
United Kingdom
Local time: 10:50
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SerbianSerbian, Native in FrenchFrench
PRO pts in category: 88
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Reference comments


13 mins
Reference: Plenty of search results on this website

Reference information:
Use https://www.proz.com/search/

https://www.proz.com/search/?term=décennale&from=fra&to=eng&...

Conor McAuley
France
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 50

Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  philgoddard: Yes, there's no point discussing it again.
1 hr
disagree  Daryo: plenty of results but NOT for the term asked
2 hrs
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