Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Violencia vicaria
English translation:
Vicarious violence
Spanish term
Violencia vicaria
Could a translator specialised in legal documents help me with an accepted translation?
4 +4 | Vicarious violence | Lucy Breen |
4 +2 | abuse by proxy | Jennifer Levey |
3 | domestic violence by proxy (E&W) by transferred malice or intent | Adrian MM. |
Refs. | Taña Dalglish |
Jun 26, 2022 22:16: Elisabeth Espinosa changed "Language pair" from "German to Spanish" to "English to Spanish"
Jun 26, 2022 22:36: Juan Jacob changed "Language pair" from "English to Spanish" to "Spanish to English"
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Proposed translations
Vicarious violence
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neilmac
: https://www.janetanscombe.com/news/vicarious-violence-when-m...
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patinba
: It most cerainly exists.
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Elizabeth Joy Pitt de Morales
: Correct. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C...
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AllegroTrans
: short of missing context, this direct translation is the only sensible way to go
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abuse by proxy
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=abuse by pro...
https://www.saveservices.org/2021/09/what-is-domestic-violen...
and many others...
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Andrew Bramhall
: Considerably more likely than the confused offering below;
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François Tardif
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domestic violence by proxy (E&W) by transferred malice or intent
The doctrine of 'transferred malice or intent in English criminal law - a popular, but unfairly advanced law-degree topic to spring in UK Oxbridge law-course interviews e.g. with reference to violence inflicted on the mother of an unborn child - ought to be considered.
Example 1. A's firework thrown into a crowd injures B, an innocent person: A is guilty by transferred malice
2. Raging father A. intends to hit his wife B but strikes their or her own child C instead. Arguably IMO, A. is again guilty of transferred malice or intent.
The father-child scenario is a fuzzy match but IMO still within the parameters of transferred malice in English & US law : 'the intent follows the bullet'..
Note: 'this legal term does not exist in English' calls up 3 permutations & combinations 1. there is an equivalent but it is obscure or 'arcane' to some who have 'forgotten' the term 2. there is a fuzzy match that calls for a literal translation and an explanation or 3. and rarely, there really isn't an Anglo-American equivalent, especially when it comes to culinary terms and cooking recipes.
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Barbara C's agreement...
Documentaries Focus on 'Domestic Violence by Proxy' https://www.domesticshelters.org › ... Diese Seite übersetzen 27.01.2017 — Two new documentaries show what happens when abusers try to alienate one parent from their children.
DV Proxy is a pattern of behavior where a parent with a history of using domestic violence, or intimidation uses the child (as a substitute) when s/he does not have access to the former partner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transferred_intent
http://www.lexisnexis.co.uk/legal/guidance/transferred-malice
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Toni Castano
: Also my note: "Violencia vicaria" is not included as a crime in our Criminal Code as of June 2022. The term was coined by the psychologist Sonia Vaccaro over 30 years ago and is gaining momentum in Spain now due to some horrendous violence cases.
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Thanks, Toni. I know about the 'murdered Spanish brides' demos of yesteryear and today, even if reported by the 'Grauniad' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/20/mass-protests-...
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Andrew Bramhall
: All domestic violence IS gender-based, and your note:" this legal term does not exist...." is deeply confused, not to mention contradictory;
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Another misleading, categoric gender-based comment. So read *carefully* Toni C's comments. Otherwise, when translators claim a translation for a term does not exist, often it does. Cut to the long-established term of 'transferred malice' you didn't know.
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Jennifer Levey
: violencia vicaria is a generic term which does not necessarily imply any 'domestic' context.
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Then you ought to have at least had the courtesy to acknowledge the all-embracing 'transferred malice' term of art that is obviously new to you. Otherwise, pls. re-read Toni C.'s comments re domestic vs. gender-based violence.
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Reference comments
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The Spanish press are referring to it as violencia vicaria, a type of gender violence by proxy which is aimed at harming a partner where it hurts most – by inflicting damage on their children.
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violencia_vicaria
La violencia vicaria (a veces denominada violencia por sustitución) es un neologismo aplicado en el ámbito de la violencia de género que denomina a una forma de violencia por interpósita persona por la que un progenitor ataca a una hija o un hijo con el objetivo de causar dolor a la madre.
La violencia vicaria se ha definido como un tipo de violencia ejercida por un progenitor maltratador como instrumento para causar daño a una madre utilizando a sus hijos e incluso a los descendientes en común, que puede llegar, en casos extremos, a terminar con la vida de estos.18910 Normalmente se ejerce sobre menores de edad, pero también puede llevarse a cabo sobre cualquier otro bien o sujeto que sea apreciado por la mujer maltratada.
June 13, 2021 - the jfa human rights journal https://www.thejfa.com/hrn/june-13-2021
The news shocked the country and exposed one of the worst types of gender-based violence in Spain; what the press has named ‘violencia vicaria’ or ‘vicarious violence’. This is a kind of gender-based violence by proxy where abusers hurt their children in order to hurt their partners or ex-partners. Since 2013, 39 children have been murdered by their biological fathers in Spain.
Girl found dead in Spain: why do some speak of "vicarious violence ...https://newsrnd.com/news/2021-06-20-girl-found-dead-in-spain...
violencia vicaria. ” (vicarious violence). A term taken up and even integrated into the State Pact against gender violence signed in Spain in 2017.
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According to the U.N. definition: "Gender-Based violence refers to harmful acts directed at an individual based on their gender. It is rooted in gender inequality, the abuse of power and harmful norms. Gender-based violence (GBV) is a serious violation of human rights and a life-threatening health and protection issue." IMO, it is simply NOT any kind of "abuse" which is an oversimplification.
What are the 4 types of gender violence?
physical violence. verbal violence (including hate speech) psychological violence. sexual violence.
What is gender-based violence? | European Commission https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-r...
Gender-based violence is violence mainly committed towards women and girls, including rape, harassment, and female genital mutilation.
Note: However, men do experience gender-based violence too!
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More: (Relative to Spain):
Vicarious violence … when men kill their own children simply to hurt women
11 JUNE 2021
Spain has a new type of crime, sadly only in terms of its nomenclature. Pedro Sánchez, Spanish PM, gave it the name … no longer Violencia Machista, Male Violence (against females) itself effectively a renaming of Violencia de Genero (gender violence) because it is routinely men who assault women and, in terms of fatal assaults, it’s virtually 100%. Now, however, we also have Violencia Vicaria, vicarious violence … a form of Violencia Machista where the children are hurt to hurt the mother. This must not be Olivia’s legacy but it must be one component of the way women can reclaim from men their right to life, and the life of their children.
As Sánchez said only today, Spain is living yet another black day through this sort of violence. Not only the discovery of Olivia’s body but another woman, Rocío, killed by her male partner. She was 17 years old, from the Seville area, and was murdered by her “ex-boyfriend” who presumably didn’t like the fact that she had a mind with which to reject him, something she clearly did for very good reason but tragic result as he has now confessed. https://www.janetanscombe.com/news/vicarious-violence-when-m...
Spanish law: https://www.boe.es/diario_boe/txt.php?id=BOE-A-2018-11883#:~...
n) La violencia vicaria es la ejercida sobre los hijos e hijas, así como sobre las personas contempladas en las letras c y d del artículo 1 bis, que incluye toda conducta ejercida por el agresor que sea utilizada como instrumento para dañar a la mujer.
ñ) La violencia que se ejerce a través de medios de comunicación o publicidad, que fomente o incentive la discriminación por razón de sexo o utilice la imagen de la mujer con carácter vejatorio o discriminatorio o incorporando mensajes que la promuevan.
o) Cualquier otra forma de violencia contra las mujeres que lesione o sea susceptible de lesionar la dignidad, la integridad o la libertad de las víctimas comprendidas en el objeto y ámbito de aplicación de la presente Ley.»
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Barbara Cochran, MFA
: Yes, genddr-based violence by proxy.
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Thanks Barbara.
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philgoddard
: This is an answer, not a reference entry.
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Thx.
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Toni Castano
: Hi Taña, please read my comment above in the discussion area about "gender-based violence". Regards. // From your own link: "Violence against women is understood as a violation of human rights and a form of discrimination against women (...)".
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Toni, "gender-based violence" (U.N. definition) is not the domain of men only (discussion box) an. I have included additional references to highlight this.
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Andrew Bramhall
: Agree with Phil's comment too;
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Thank you. However, I believe it is my choice (I think I have that right to decide and I am not chasing points) as I knew that this topic would provoke a great deal of discussion.
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abe(L)solano
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Thank you Abe.
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Discussion
Hope this helps.
Elisabeth, can you help please? Some of your text containing the term would be really useful
This being said, the query deals with how to translate "violencia vicaria" into English. And in this respect, I have already expressed my opinion.
Regardless of how one reacts to your 'sarcasm', the simple fact is that violencia de género is the 'exclusive domain' only of those - be they male, female or 'other' - who use 'gender', in all its ramifications, as a presumed justification for exercising violence in their dealing with others.
That said, the conclusion you draw is valid: violencia vicaria does not necessarily involve violencia de género.
https://www.eliasymunozabogados.com/blog/diferencia-violenci...
¿Qué es la violencia de género?
La definición de violencia de género es muy clara. Hace referencia, única y exclusivamente, a la violencia perpetrada por un hombre contra una mujer por el mero hecho de serlo. Por tanto, se sobreentiende que hay un componente discriminatorio en la agresión, así como de desigualdad y subordinación. Es decir, a través de ella, el sujeto masculino ejerce una relación de poder sobre el femenino.
Needless to say, the "violencia vicaria" can also be exerted by a woman to damage her husband/partner... So "violencia vicaria" CANNOT be "violencia de género" (= gender-based violence).
HTH