Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
Non-Citizen Nationals
Arabic translation:
المواطنون بلا جنسية
Added to glossary by
Saleh Ayyub
Oct 28, 2004 05:34
19 yrs ago
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English term
Egypt
NATIVE SPEAKER OF MEDICINE
Native in: Arabic 
, English
Works in: Arabic to English, English to Arabic, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Non-Citizen Nationals
English to Arabic
Other
Law (general)
USA
Proposed translations
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Proposed translations
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Saleh Ayyub
New Zealand
New Zealand
Native in English
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Arabic
Specializes in field
New Zealand
قاضي صلح و مترجم ومستشار - صالح أيوب
Native in: Arabic , English
Works in: Arabic to English, English to Arabic
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المواطنون بلا جنسية
Saleh
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There are some national of a particular country that are denied or not granted the citizenship of a courty for some reason or an other. This of course is considered a persecution under the refugee convention law.
Saleh
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There are some national of a particular country that are denied or not granted the citizenship of a courty for some reason or an other. This of course is considered a persecution under the refugee convention law.
Saleh
Peer comment(s):
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Sam Berner
: A citizen without a citizenship sounds confusing a bit
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It is not confusing, but it is illegal, and is considered a persecution and denial of rights.
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Hanan Ghannoum
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Thank you
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Nesrin
: more clarification here www.jagcnet.army.mil/.../0/ 6b502363e97cad6d85256a05005df34a?OpenDocument&ExpandSection
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Mohamed Gaafar
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Thank you
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AhmedAMS
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
+2
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Viviane MA
United States
United States
Native in Arabic
United States
Experience in translation and subtitling
Native in: Arabic (Variant: Lebanese)
Works in: English to French, French to English, English to Arabic, and 3 more.
المقيمين غير المواطنين
it seemed logical to me
Peer comment(s):
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Sam Berner
: shouldn't there be a من between the two?
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I don't think we need a من in between, and as far as I know اجانب are adressed as foreigners or aliens
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Demosthene
: right, they live in the country but keep their own nationalities
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Mohammed Abdelhady
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Sam Berner
Australia
Australia
Native in English
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Arabic
Specializes in field
Australia
Craftsmanship, ideas, expert knowledge
Native in: Arabic (Variants: Egyptian, Palestinian, Lebanese, Sudanese, Standard-Arabian (MSA), Syrian) , English (Variants: British, Australian, US)
Works in: English to Arabic, Arabic to English
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24
الأجانب المقيمين بالولايات
If they are not citizens, then they are foreigners. You'd have to provide me with a definition of the "non-citizen national" for me to decide whether they are holders of some form of residence permit.
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I found this definition of \"US national\", and have to admit that it will be hard to find an Arabic legal equivalent. (a) (22) The term \'\'national of the United States\'\' means
(A) a citizen of the United States, or
(B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent [but not necessarily exclusive] allegiance to the United States.
Scrap the above answer, as these are obviously neither \"foreigners\" nor permanent residents, nor citizens.
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I found this definition of \"US national\", and have to admit that it will be hard to find an Arabic legal equivalent. (a) (22) The term \'\'national of the United States\'\' means
(A) a citizen of the United States, or
(B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent [but not necessarily exclusive] allegiance to the United States.
Scrap the above answer, as these are obviously neither \"foreigners\" nor permanent residents, nor citizens.
Peer comment(s):
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Saleh Ayyub
: wait for others to express their view Sam. This expression exist and some time it is called مواطنون بدون جنسية.
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See above.
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Viviane MA
: I suppose nationals are the green card holders
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Mohammed Abdelhady
: non-citizen nationals are not only in the USA !!
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ArabicSoft
: This term does not refer to expatriates in the United States. The term NON-CITIZEN NATIONALS in the US refers to persons born in American Samoa and Swains Island.
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المقيمون غير المتجنسين
they are considered US natonals but they have not gone through the the process of becoming a citizen
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4 hrs
رعايا من غير المواطنين، وتحديداً، رعايا من غير مواطني الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية
Although all citizens of the United States are nationals of the United States, some United States nationals are not United States citizens. Historically, non-citizen nationals have been persons born in outlying territories of the United States (currently, American Samoa and Swains Island).
الإشارة هنا إلى من يُعَدُّون من رعايا الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية غير أنهم لا يحملون الجنسية الأمريكية، ويُقصد تحديداً مواطنو ساموا الأمريكية وجزيرة سوينز.
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يُستخدم هذا المصطلح تحديداً في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية
الإشارة هنا إلى من يُعَدُّون من رعايا الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية غير أنهم لا يحملون الجنسية الأمريكية، ويُقصد تحديداً مواطنو ساموا الأمريكية وجزيرة سوينز.
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يُستخدم هذا المصطلح تحديداً في الولايات المتحدة الأمريكية
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7 hrs
ocean2gulf
Egypt
Egypt
Native in Arabic
Works in field
Egypt
High Resolution Target
Native in: Arabic 
Works in: Arabic to French, Spanish to Arabic, Arabic to Spanish, and 13 more.
البدون
This is the term used in Arabic for non-national citizens. In some Arab countries such as UAE and Kuwait some citizens are denied nationality and they are called "Al Bedoun"
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Please check the following URLs:
http://www.hrinfo.net/hotcase/04/bedwn.shtml
http://www.alarabiya.tv/Article.aspx?v=2714
http://www.alazmina.info/issue253/04.html
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http://bedon.8m.net/
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http://bedon.8m.net/
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Please check the following URLs:
http://www.hrinfo.net/hotcase/04/bedwn.shtml
http://www.alarabiya.tv/Article.aspx?v=2714
http://www.alazmina.info/issue253/04.html
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http://bedon.8m.net/
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http://bedon.8m.net/
Peer comment(s):
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ArabicSoft
: I have read the three URLs. They discuss, in Arabic, a different issue. The بدون are called "the stateless" in English.This is the term used in Kuwait and the Gulf in general. We are discussing a term used mainly in the US here. Regards.
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Please check the provided URLs first!!!
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