Glossary entry

Spanish term or phrase:

estaban mas sujetos

English translation:

under greater control / better disciplined / under the thumb

Added to glossary by DLyons
Jun 7, 2014 19:01
9 yrs ago
1 viewer *
Spanish term

estaban mas sujetos

Spanish to English Art/Literary Education / Pedagogy
Context:

Para los niños de la guerra, antes de pensar en resolver su porvenir, existían dos tutorías fundamentales: la del propio ambiente familiar y la del lugar donde cursaran sus estudios de Enseñanza Media.

Entre las dos alternativas del colegio religioso, donde la disciplina era mayor, y la del Instituto –masculino o femenino-, donde el profesorado era más competente, la mayoría de los padres de cierto nivel social elegían de preferencia la primera. La razón que solían invocar era la de que allí LOS HIJOS ESTABAN "MAS SUJETOS", pero tanto o más pesaban las consideraciones de tipo clasista, especialmente cuando se trataba del bachillerato de una chica. Porque en este caso predominaba la opinión de la madre, más conservadora por convicción o por miedo de que su hija le saliera rara, perdiera el freno de la Religión y se contaminara de costumbres impropias de una señorita. En los Institutos de Segunda Enseñanza, generalmente ubicados en lugares provisionales y no muy confortables, la matrícula era notablemente más barata que en los colegios de monjas, y por eso había “mucha mezcla”, como solía decirse. Acudían chicas de extracción rural o hijas de proletarios de dudosa ideología, cuyos modales y lenguaje eran más descarados, y a muchas de ellas las esperaban a la salida de clase chicos de su barrio con los que se iban tranquilamente de paseo.

I would appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.
Change log

Jun 7, 2014 19:02: Marian Martin (X) changed "Field (specific)" from "Other" to "Education / Pedagogy"

Jun 13, 2014 21:01: DLyons Created KOG entry

Discussion

DLyons Jun 8, 2014:
It's Carmen Martín Gaite, "Usos amorosos de la posguerra española".

Proposed translations

+8
5 mins
Selected

under greater control / better disciplined / under the thumb

*
Peer comment(s):

agree Wendy Streitparth : Was going to suggest docile, obedient but your suggestions are better.
15 mins
Thanks Wendy - I think it's a control/power thing :-(
agree Charles Davis
2 hrs
Thanks Charles.
agree Helena Chavarria
4 hrs
Gracias Helena.
agree franglish
11 hrs
Thanks franglish.
agree Lucy Breen
14 hrs
Thanks Lucy.
agree lugoben
1 day 4 hrs
Thanks lugoben.
agree Karen Vincent-Jones (X) : Yes, better disciplined
1 day 20 hrs
Thanks Karen.
agree MollyRose
3 days 1 hr
Thanks MollyRose.
Something went wrong...
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks DLyons."
28 mins

were more restrained

My interpretation is that they mean "más contenidos".
Note from asker:
Thanks.
Peer comment(s):

neutral Karen Vincent-Jones (X) : To say that somebody is 'restrained' means that they are self-controlled; here it means the children are restrained/controlled BY the teachers.
1 day 20 hrs
Something went wrong...
+2
12 hrs

kept on a shorter rein

I might go for a more idiomatic approach.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs (2014-06-08 07:50:48 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

"... that times have changed and that children are kept on a shorter rein than in the past..."

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs (2014-06-08 07:51:19 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

https://www.google.com/search?q="kept on a shorter rein"

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs (2014-06-08 07:54:02 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

The synonymous variant ""kept on a tighter rein" gets more hits on Google, around 7500:
https://www.google.com/search?q="kept on a tighter rein"&oq=...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs (2014-06-08 07:54:56 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

And ""kept on a tighter leash" garners 44,500 results...

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs (2014-06-08 07:56:13 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Here's an example of this usage which fits the query context:
"... girls still go to college nearer home than boys; they are kept on a tighter leash..."

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 12 hrs (2014-06-08 07:56:48 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

https://www.google.com/search?q="kept on a tighter leash"&oq...
Note from asker:
Thanks.
Peer comment(s):

agree Charles Davis : Much better stylistically for this context, I think.
3 hrs
agree MollyRose
2 days 12 hrs
Something went wrong...
Term search
  • All of ProZ.com
  • Term search
  • Jobs
  • Forums
  • Multiple search