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Feb 13, 2017 10:10
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English term

pulsed high

English to French Tech/Engineering Electronics / Elect Eng (in a patent) transistor, counter circuit, clocked, voltage, logic circuit
When transistor 913 is turned ON the clocking input is pulsed high and the counter circuit will incrément its count value.
The logic circuit is a counter circuit which is clocked each time the DC power signal 912 is pulsed low.
Proposed translations (French)
4 -1 passer à l'état HAUT (front montant)
4 L'entrée d'horloge est pulsée au niveau haut
3 +1 reçoit une impulsion vers l'état haut
Change log

Feb 13, 2017 11:53: Tony M changed "Field (write-in)" from "transitor, counter circuit, clocked, voltage, logic circuit" to "(in a patent) transistor, counter circuit, clocked, voltage, logic circuit"

Discussion

Johannes Gleim Feb 14, 2017:
@ Tony Please refrain from offending and let the asker decide, whether to supply additional context or not. It may be clear to you and you may propose a proposal according to your understanding. Please allow me to do the same. I see the necessity to clarify the circuit configuration and this is the place to ask for.

I didn't contest your competency. Please do not contest my competencies in electronics.

No question about "pulse" or "pulsating". No doubt on the fact that the raising edge will cause HIGH level. But what causes the falling edge on the input? It''s only said that a counter circuit which is clocked each time the DC power signal 912 is pulsed low. The missing link is, where sgnal 912 is found in the circuit. Obviously you are assuming it's the same entry, but I am not sure about this.
Tony M Feb 14, 2017:
@ Johannes Absolutely not! The EN term, even if it is unfamiliar to you, is widely used and totally unambiguous, which I feel sure is why it was used in this patent context. I don't know why you are arguing about something that is so blindingly obvious and about which there is no doubt in any context, patent or otherwise.
And I do not need a lecture from you about "patent translations".
Johannes Gleim Feb 14, 2017:
@ Tony Please note that patent translations do not tolerate misunderstanding or misinterpretations. Therefore it is essential to have enough context in order to select the correct terms and wordings. And the most pertinent information is contained in the figures. Only these diagrams are unambiguously.

You may know that logic circuits exist in many different versions. As long as the relevant circuit is unknown all proposals may be subject to errors.
Tony M Feb 14, 2017:
@ Asker No further context is really necessary, the EN source text is already perfectly clear and unambiguous.
Johannes Gleim Feb 14, 2017:
@ DreamsA Can you please describe the circuit in general? Is the transistor 913 part of the counter circuit or a driver for the counter circuit or any other pulse generating circuit between the transistor and the counter circuit? Is the counter implementetd as IC or by discrete components and configured as flip-flop, Schmidt-trigger, or differently? How is the power signal 912 connected to which component? Is this the input for transistor 913 and is it pulsating?

Proposed translations

-1
12 hrs
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passer à l'état HAUT (front montant)

I understand that the logic level is switched from LOW to HIGH, rather than pulsating. One French equivalent in this con text is "basculer ou passer à l'état haut ou bas".

Bascule etat haut
Salut, j'ai un problème que je pense tout simple, mais je n'y trouve pas de solution claire sur le web.
En gros, j'ai besoin d'un interrupteur sur état haut, c'est à dire qu'il ouvre et ferme sur état logique 1 (5V), et qui me permette une fois ouvert de faire passer du 12V, qui vient d'une autre alimentation.
http://forums.futura-sciences.com/electronique/255759-bascul...

Bascules synchrones
Ici, l'action des entrées sur l'état de mémorisation ne sera effective qu'à la réception d'un front d'horloge, lorsqu'elle passe de l'état bas à l'état haut (front montant), ou inversement (front descendant).
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bascule_(circuit_logique)

Entrée CLOCK / CLK (patte 12 du CD4553)
C'est l'entrée qui reçoit les impulsion de comptage. Le comptage s'incrémente quand cette entrée passe de l'état logique haut à l'état logique bas, cette entrée est donc active sur les fronts descendants.
https://www.sonelec-musique.com/electronique_realisations_co...
Peer comment(s):
disagree Tony M : 'pulsed' specifically means that it receives a brief, momentary 'high' pulse, and then goes 'low' again. So it is not the same thing as saying that it 'goes high', which is what you have translated. It's specifically what the term 'pulsed' means in EN.
7 hrs
It's only said that a transistor goes high with the raising edge at the input (basis) enabling a clocking pulse for the counter, but not that this entry goes low again with the falling edge of a pulse.
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8 mins
English term (edited): pulsed highly

L'entrée d'horloge est pulsée au niveau haut

Les circuits logiques à impulsion niveau haut et niveau bas.

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Note added at 17 mins (2017-02-13 10:27:15 GMT)
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Pulsé veut dire recevoir une impulsion.
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+1
9 hrs
English term (edited): is pulsed high

reçoit une impulsion vers l'état haut

I suspect this would be a more natural way of expressing it in FR, using an active verb rather than the passive construction in EN.

Both 'niveau' and 'état' are used for logic levels, so I think here you can take your pick.

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Note added at 20 heures (2017-02-14 06:51:31 GMT)
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To answer Johannes's point: there is no mention in the source text given of any rising / falling edge — even though from prior knowledge we might well surmise this would be the case. But to change the meaning of the source text on the basis of our own prior knowledge is what would amount to over-interpreting.
The source term here 'pulsed' is clear and unambiguous in EN — it specifically means that the input (not 'entry', please!) is taken momentarily to one logic state, and then returns to its previous state; it receives a 'pulse'. Of course, the absolute time duration of 'momentarily' can vary widely depdning on the technical context; but the principle of 'taken to one state, then return to its original state' is fundamental to the meaning of 'pulsed'.
Peer comment(s):
neutral Johannes Gleim : You may overinterpret the transistor input 913 being part of the counter circuit and that the entry goes low again. This i's not said.
10 hrs
That is specifically what the term 'pulsed' means in EN.
agree Kim Metzger
18 hrs
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