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tazdog (X)
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| directory searches | Mar 16, 2009 |
Nicole Schnell wrote:
The "ProZ.com Certified PRO freelancers only" is so prominent due to the red badge shown and is obviously ranked higher than any professional credential status, so clients will click on it inevitably. (Psychology!)
I have not found this to be true at all. FWIW, I have a counter on my profile that lets me see exactly what criteria were used in directory searches that get to my profile. In all of the time that has passed since the "P" was added as a search criterion, not one single search that got to my profile has included it. Not a single one. (And I get a lot of visits to my profile through the directory search, but mostly because I'm fairly high up in the Kudoz ranking.)
| | | | Nicole Schnell 
United States
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In memoriam | Hi Cindy, how do you know? | Mar 16, 2009 |
Cindy Chadd wrote:
FWIW, I have a counter on my profile that lets me see exactly what criteria were used in directory searches that get to my profile. In all of the time that has passed since the "P" was added as a search criterion, not one single search that got to my profile has included it. Not a single one.
I don't. You do have a particular setting? I wouldn't receive any information either if the search criteria were based on, say, medical translation or Kishuaheli, neither of which I can do.
TIA!
| | | | tazdog (X)
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I'm not talking about the Visitors tab; I mean the additional counter that I installed on my profile (at the bottom). I get an e-mail report every day that shows me exactly how many visits I had, and how they got to my profile. If it's a Google search, I click on the link for that entry and I see exactly what they searched for. If it's a Proz directory search, I see the exact combination of search criteria used (I get the actual search screen).
Slight threadjack here, but you might ... See more I'm not talking about the Visitors tab; I mean the additional counter that I installed on my profile (at the bottom). I get an e-mail report every day that shows me exactly how many visits I had, and how they got to my profile. If it's a Google search, I click on the link for that entry and I see exactly what they searched for. If it's a Proz directory search, I see the exact combination of search criteria used (I get the actual search screen).
Slight threadjack here, but you might be surprised to see how many people don't bother to look for anything beyond the language pair; I'd say that around half if not more don't even specify native speaker, and forget about specific fields. (Actually, I think the optional search criterion I've seen used most frequently is location. Spanish agencies include "Spain" as a search criterion fairly often.) ▲ Collapse
| | | | Erik Freitag
Germany
Local time: 22:35
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Dutch to German
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| Most people without the P haven't applied? | Mar 16, 2009 |
Henry D wrote:
To be clear, folks: most people without the P have not applied for it!
But that means that pretty much everyone who applied was awarded the "P". This can only mean that people who don't meet the standards know it and don't apply? Or can we think of another conclusion?
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Nicole Schnell
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In memoriam | Very funny, efreitag :-) | Mar 16, 2009 |
efreitag wrote: But that means that pretty much everyone who applied was awarded the "P". This can only mean that people who don't meet the standards know it and don't apply? Or can we think of another conclusion?
You probably have no idea how many candidates will take you by the word and won't understand the sarcasm.
Shame on you and greetings!
| | | | | And silly me thought the P wasn't elitist | Mar 16, 2009 |
efreitag wrote: Henry D wrote:
To be clear, folks: most people without the P have not applied for it! But that means that pretty much everyone who applied was awarded the "P". This can only mean that people who don't meet the standards know it and don't apply? Or can we think of another conclusion?
So the rest of us should hang our heads in shame, pack our bags and leave the site to those who meet the standards?
| | | | | And how did/will you check my pair? | Mar 16, 2009 |
Dear Henry,
In Russian to Turkish Language pair there is not any so called Certified ProZ.
In such case, what did/will you do?
| | | | Nicole Schnell
United States
Local time: 13:35
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In memoriam | Hm, so I have to install something? Yay, I am always bored anyway | Mar 16, 2009 |
Cindy Chadd wrote:
I'm not talking about the Visitors tab; I mean the additional counter that I installed on my profile (at the bottom). I get an e-mail report every day that shows me exactly how many visits I had, and how they got to my profile. If it's a Google search, I click on the link for that entry and I see exactly what they searched for. If it's a Proz directory search, I see the exact combination of search criteria used (I get the actual search screen)
Right. Extra work. No further comment.
Slight threadjack here, but you might be surprised to see how many people don't bother to look for anything beyond the language pair; I'd say that around half if not more don't even specify native speaker, and forget about specific fields.
I am sooo not interested in those.
Thanks a ton, though, Cindy!
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Gerard de Noord
France
Local time: 22:35
Member (2003)
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| All those assumptions | Mar 16, 2009 |
efreitag wrote: Henry D wrote:
To be clear, folks: most people without the P have not applied for it! But that means that pretty much everyone who applied was awarded the "P". This can only mean that people who don't meet the standards know it and don't apply? Or can we think of another conclusion?
Earlier in this thread Henry told us: "Approximately 700 paying members have applied and not been accepted."
Regards,
Gerard
| | | | | OK, that option can be your responsibility! | Mar 16, 2009 |
Nicole Schnell wrote: Henry D wrote:
To be clear, folks: most people without the P have not applied for it! Can we add the following line to the search criteria for translators? ... Excellent and successful freelancers who have been too busy to apply because they are swamped with work and don't actually need any badge
Nice one! Do you want to oversee the program to screen for "Excellent and successful"?
| | | | | Cindy's experience is typical | Mar 16, 2009 |
Cindy Chadd wrote:
I have not found this to be true at all. FWIW, I have a counter on my profile that lets me see exactly what criteria were used in directory searches that get to my profile. In all of the time that has passed since the "P" was added as a search criterion, not one single search that got to my profile has included it. Not a single one. (And I get a lot of visits to my profile through the directory search, but mostly because I'm fairly high up in the Kudoz ranking.)
Good data, Cindy. Indeed, like the certification option that has been there for just about as long as ProZ.com has existed, the P is used as a search parameter by only a fraction of clients.
To what degree does a certification, or P badge, reassure a client who has arrived at your profile? That is not clear. Based on the feedback I have heard from outsourcers, what is most typical is that a variety of information is considered, and that no one parameter is relied on exclusively. A typo in your tagline, for example, may undermine a host of other credentials displayed later in the page.
| | | | Paul Cohen
Greenland
Local time: 19:35
German to English
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TOPIC STARTER | Let's do the math | Mar 16, 2009 |
Gerard de Noord wrote:
Earlier in this thread Henry told us: "Approximately 700 paying members have applied and not been accepted."
He also told us this:
Henry D wrote:
By the way, the most common reason that applications are not accepted is that sufficient information has not been provided or is not available.
Let's do the math. I seem to remember a thread a while back that informed us that over 1,000 people have the "P" badge. It must be more than that now. If approx. 700 have been denied, but the majority of those did not provide sufficient information, then roughly one out of every four "complete" applications is turned down.
But don't ask me to speculate on what these numbers mean.
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| Clarification on acceptance rate | Mar 16, 2009 |
efreitag wrote: Henry D wrote:
To be clear, folks: most people without the P have not applied for it! But that means that pretty much everyone who applied was awarded the "P".
No it doesn't. Out of 2200 applications, about 700 have not been accepted. In other words, about two-thirds get accepted and one-third does not.
On the other hand, there may be 60,000 - 80,000 'active' profiles today (out of about a quarter of a million ever registered, depending on how you define 'active'.) Therefore, the odds of a random profile without the P having applied and been denied are about 700/80k, or less than 1%.
| | | | Paul Cohen
Greenland
Local time: 19:35
German to English
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TOPIC STARTER | @ Henry: What does this tell us about our potential clients? | Mar 16, 2009 |
Henry D wrote:
...the P is used as a search parameter by only a fraction of clients.
To what degree does a certification, or P badge, reassure a client who has arrived at your profile? That is not clear. Based on the feedback I have heard from outsourcers, what is most typical is that a variety of information is considered, and that no one parameter is relied on exclusively.
Very interesting!
What does this tell us about our potential clients? Why would someone choose not to restrict their search parameters to the P badge?
Does this mean that it would currently make very little difference in terms of the actual number of profile hits for network members if the P badge were removed from the directory?
Regards,
Paul
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Thank you everyone for the input! There have been some great thoughts, things that Patrick and I have taken and discussed offline. As I posted in the parallel P thread, I am signing off for the time being to get some work done. Expect future updates on the program.
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