校对/审需要怎样的资格?此例的"校"并不添花

redred wrote:

原文的10个错误是这样安排:

where since 1845 at least a hundred ships and planes and over a thousand people have disappeared. No wreckage has been found, no bodies, no life-belts or other evidence of disaster. It 3.__________________
is as if these planes, ships and people had never existed. In some cases a routine radio message has been received from aircraft reports everything in order a few minutes before all contacts 4.__________________
are lost, in others a weak SOS message has been picked up and, in perfect weather, inexplicable references to fog and lost 5.____________________
of bearings.

redred wrote:

就是改错,试题是在旁边给出10个横线，只不过我张贴时去掉了横线，难度提高了。

wherestip wrote:

BTW, as you certainly know, English tests in this country are mostly focused on comprehension (reading) and composition (writing). Grammar is not a big emphasis. And when they do test students on proper vocabulary, diction, or grammar, it is always done by asking multiple-choice questions . This method definitely makes more sense to me, instead of searching for errors all over the place.

lai an wrote:

@ Steve, Redred. I've actually taught the 'Bermuda Triangle' text, but can't recall at what level. Redred, are you able to tell us where the exercise came from?

ysun wrote:

不过，英语语法很活，得灵活运用。有的人像套用数学公式似的生搬硬套英语语法，那就难免会犯错误。例如，曾有人提过一个 KudoZ 问题：“昨晚我一定是醉了”。结果有人答： “I must be drunk last night”。也有人答： “I must have been drunk last night”。对于后者，提问者就想不通，认为 “must have been drunk” 是现在完成时，不能与 “last night” 连用。于是，他又编了个 “He has come last night” 到 English Kudoz 那里去问，企图说明因为 “He has come last night” 是错的，所以 “I must have been drunk last night” 也一定是错的。其实，“I must have been drunk last night” 与 “He has come last night” 是根本不同的两种句型。结果人家 native English speakers 说，“100% of native English speakers would immediately recognize "must be" as wrong, and "must have been" as right.” 但他还是想不通，非要人家说出理由来。其实大家已经从各种角度给出许多理由，只不过他不能理解而已。

关于 “must have”，Longman Contemporary English-Chinese Dictionary 《朗文现代英汉双解词典》 (p920-921) 解释得很清楚：
Must
2. to be, do, etc., very probably or certainly (past "must have") 必定；非常可能 (过去式为must have): I think they must have left early. 我想他们一定早已走了.

其实，在表达推测语气时，即使没有过去时间状语也可以用 must have been：
http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/must_1
3. used to say you think something is very likely to be true or very likely to have happened:
You must have been really upset.

[Edited at 2009-05-04 03:24 GMT]

redred wrote:

写文章是讲求语感的，看得多自然会写，多读优秀文章是很有裨益。中文所教授的主、谓、宾和定语等，作为母语者，至今也弄不明白，但这丝毫不影响我写文章及与人沟通。推已及人，英语为母语的人，是否如我们那般学习语文，也要拘泥于主、谓、宾和定语等，在斟字酌句之时，上述句子成份也要按序排次？如这样的方式去撰文，人会很累。

nigerose wrote:



Lesley, please allow me to comment on your translation. Your job shows both good adherence to the sentences of the original text and excellent choice of words.

But, since 1 and 3 in your translation are noun phrases, 2 should be a noun phrase instead of a sentence.

二是多方位拓展业务，在困境中取得较好业绩，为公司持续发展打下一定基础
2. diversified expansion of our businesses and outstanding achievements in a difficult situation, which laid down a foundation for the company's ongoing development;

redred wrote:

纠错。
1. It was suggested at the meeting that effective measures must be taken to solve the serious problem of water pollution in the city.

ysun wrote:


那习题集作者也许期待着考生把这句话改成：
It was suggested at the meeting that effective measures should be taken to solve the serious problem of water pollution in the city.

但是，如果只是把 must 删去，也许还显得更地道些。即：
It was suggested at the meeting that effective measures be taken to solve the serious problem of water pollution in the city.

redred wrote:

写文章是讲求语感的，看得多自然会写，多读优秀文章是很有裨益。中文所教授的主、谓、宾和定语等，作为母语者，至今也弄不明白，但这丝毫不影响我写文章及与人沟通。推已及人，英语为母语的人，是否如我们那般学习语文，也要拘泥于主、谓、宾和定语等，在斟字酌句之时，上述句子成份也要按序排次？如这样的方式去撰文，人会很累。

lai an wrote:
1 frail-minded -> feeble-minded
2 perform much higher on tests -> in tests
3 it's -> it is (2x); aren't -> are not
4 on the average -> on average
5 older people, up to age 75 -> older people, up to age 75,
6 rank among the top performers frequently -> more frequently
7 more efficiently than younger counterparts -> than their younger counterparts
8 on the aging mind(-)but never again -> aging mind, but never again
9, 10 with speedy mind -> with a quicker mind

lai an wrote:
1. It was suggested at the meeting that effective measures must be taken to solve the serious problem of water pollution in the city. solve -> resolve
2. Without his timely help, we should not have accomplished all these in such a short period of time. all these -> all this
3. Henry would rather his girlfriend works in the same department as he does. works -> worked
4. He didn't go to the party with Mary last night, but he does wish he has been there. does wish he has -> wished he had
5. I told him how to get to Professor Zhang's house, but perhaps I should give him a map as well. 1 this is OK. or -> 2 perhaps I should have given (depending on the situation)

lai an wrote:
@ redred How about posting some real translation problems in the KudoZ?

Chinese language learning programs have been expanding rapidly in the US in recent years.
Participants at the ongoing Chinese Language Conference in Chicago say the enthusiasm in learning Chinese has been inspired by the recognition of China's rising importance and an increasing awareness to prepare the American students for a more interconnected world culture. Our US correspondent shanshan is in Chicago to tell us more.
This year, though amid the worst financial crisis in a century, the conference has still attracted more than 830 members from 46 states. Vishakha Desai, president of Asia Society, says it in a way is a testimony to the increasing interest in the Chinese language and culture in the US. "Indeed, there has been more than 200% increase in the number of Chinese language programs that have been developed in the school just in the past 3 years. The Chinese programs that are represented here have come about in the initiatives and partnerships at many levels, from local schools to cities, states, the federal government, and the private sector. "
Apart from that, Chinese language has been added to the curriculum in many colleges and high schools in a bid to prepare the students to be more globally oriented, as Desai continues: "
As the world becomes increasingly interconnected, our educational systems need to become more globally oriented. Our young people need to learn each other's languages, they need the opportunity to get to know each other, because it is they who will be building the future and sharing the future of the 21st century."
Jon Huntsman, governor of the State of Utah, not only speaks fluent Chinese himself, but also has made Chinese language learning a priority in its education system. He says so far more than 6000 students in 82 schools in the state are learning Chinese. "
If you look at the world for what it is today, there are two languages that are critically important, for cultures, for commerce, for education and for world peace. And they are English and Mandarin Chinese. It doesn't take long to determine that for the next generation, the younger people, if they are going to maintain prosperity, and if they're going to progress economically, the knowledge of those two languages will serve them very well. "
While the participants at the Conference celebrate the growth of Chinese language teaching in the US, they also recognize the challenges in the field. Most of the programs are new and inexperienced. And there is a shortage of qualified teachers and effective textbooks.
According to the Annual Report released by China's National Office for Promoting Chinese Language, by the end of 2008, there are 3500 institutes of higher learning in more than 100 countries that have included Chinese language in their curriculum, and elementary and high schools are picking up quickly. Chinese language learners worldwide have exceeded 40 million.

redred wrote:
Does the HSK test Chinese grammar?

lai an wrote:



Hello nigerose

I am sure you are right. It was a first draft and probably needs 'polishing'. Is there anything else you would change?

Thank you for your remarks on adherence to the source text and choice of words. I have pretty much Westernised the text for a Western readership. Do you think it is too Westernised for an Asian readership? Would a Chinese PM want to change it?